By the way, Nashville taxpayers have been partnering with Billionaires for decades. They just recently took almost 1 billion from some billionaires and will spend 1.2 billion in taxpayer money to build the most expensive stadium in the history of the NFL. If you have been to Nashville, I don’t think you would argue it's not working (it's not a utopia, but it sure isn't a shithole like Portland). Nashville is a boom town, and many people would say the model of how public funding and private corporations can partner to build an economically diverse and thriving big city. Over 2.0 mm call Nashville home, and it's still growing.
I live in Seattle area. We voted NO several times to the 2 stadiums we currently have. WE VOTED NO. The county overrode the votes and built the damn things anyway. HUGE COST OVERRUNS we will pay for, forever. The city couldn't afford then from the getgo, and WE THE PEOPLE didn't want them. Now we have stadiums we didn't want, and ticket prices that are done if the highest in the nation for events and sports. Which means the vast majority of tax payers paying for the stadiums, CAN'T AFFORD TO USE THEM. ABSOLUTE BS. So kudos to K.C. for voting theirs down for now.
"Eliminating public funding whenever possible" extends beyond taxpayer $$ used to finance building the stadium. It also includes careful consideration of extending future long-term tax breaks. Sweet heart/crony deals come in many forms.
SC - Nothing to see here Sociopath Gavin in the hen house, Thanks for my ROFLMAO of the day. Sports franchise owners are like the government, they don't give a fuck about you, or winning. In this case, only maintaining and enlarging their revenue base at your expense. Tell em to fuck off and leave. The voters got it right.
Building stadiums for billionaires is an almost insignificant problem compared to the use of public money to encourage homelessness and destroy beautiful places. The beautiful red rock City of Sedona has plans to create a homeless problem here where none currently exits by using public funds. My recent editorial in the Red Rock News summarizes the problem. https://sedonavotes.com/guest-essay-by-william-noonan/ The story has been reported from New York to New Delhi and my objections to it reported in USA Today, WaPo and the London Daily Mail. I would be glad to give you more information if you wanted to write about it.
Cincinnati used to have one stadium for both football and baseball. Now we have a stadium for each, both on prime riverfront property. They are both paid for by taxpayers. Combined, they do business about 110 days per year. And with little investment of their own in the stadiums, the two teams are free to leave when their contracts run out.
It is interesting to me that Baltimore is used as an example vis a vis Camden Yards. I actually have always ascribed to that notion of the success of urban renewal via publicly funded stadiums and commercial projects such as the now defunct Harborplace. On second thought however Baltimore is in such a state that many people fear going into the city and the news reports that citizens adjust their activities to avoid rampant crime. So it seems urban renewal is not helping the people who are being asked to pay for it. Rather it serves to further separate the haves and have nots.
$100 billion will buy about 1.1 million Southwest full flights (175 seats on a 73u Max8) @ $500 a ticket, which is paying Business Select, essentially First Class for Southwest. Real rates are much lower.
F that train and all of the idiots involved with that project.
By the way, Nashville taxpayers have been partnering with Billionaires for decades. They just recently took almost 1 billion from some billionaires and will spend 1.2 billion in taxpayer money to build the most expensive stadium in the history of the NFL. If you have been to Nashville, I don’t think you would argue it's not working (it's not a utopia, but it sure isn't a shithole like Portland). Nashville is a boom town, and many people would say the model of how public funding and private corporations can partner to build an economically diverse and thriving big city. Over 2.0 mm call Nashville home, and it's still growing.
Hey, Sim Com where are you?
Just saw this and thought a data guy might be interested.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-alarmists-bad-science-warming-temperature-05846239
Economic "science", "economic" science, or "economic science", it's all political oxymoron to me.
Economics is *not* a science.
Lol lol. True. The error of my ways. I suppose ill need re education camp ....
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I live in Seattle area. We voted NO several times to the 2 stadiums we currently have. WE VOTED NO. The county overrode the votes and built the damn things anyway. HUGE COST OVERRUNS we will pay for, forever. The city couldn't afford then from the getgo, and WE THE PEOPLE didn't want them. Now we have stadiums we didn't want, and ticket prices that are done if the highest in the nation for events and sports. Which means the vast majority of tax payers paying for the stadiums, CAN'T AFFORD TO USE THEM. ABSOLUTE BS. So kudos to K.C. for voting theirs down for now.
"Eliminating public funding whenever possible" extends beyond taxpayer $$ used to finance building the stadium. It also includes careful consideration of extending future long-term tax breaks. Sweet heart/crony deals come in many forms.
https://www.dailyherald.com/20240403/news/pro-bears-to-arlington-heights-group-sends-school-districts-a-message/
That's a beautiful geoengineered sunset over Kaufman stadium. Beautiful, yet deadly. Sounds like a film noir.
Just paid my taxes. I do feel like a piggy bank.
SC - Nothing to see here Sociopath Gavin in the hen house, Thanks for my ROFLMAO of the day. Sports franchise owners are like the government, they don't give a fuck about you, or winning. In this case, only maintaining and enlarging their revenue base at your expense. Tell em to fuck off and leave. The voters got it right.
Building stadiums for billionaires is an almost insignificant problem compared to the use of public money to encourage homelessness and destroy beautiful places. The beautiful red rock City of Sedona has plans to create a homeless problem here where none currently exits by using public funds. My recent editorial in the Red Rock News summarizes the problem. https://sedonavotes.com/guest-essay-by-william-noonan/ The story has been reported from New York to New Delhi and my objections to it reported in USA Today, WaPo and the London Daily Mail. I would be glad to give you more information if you wanted to write about it.
Cincinnati used to have one stadium for both football and baseball. Now we have a stadium for each, both on prime riverfront property. They are both paid for by taxpayers. Combined, they do business about 110 days per year. And with little investment of their own in the stadiums, the two teams are free to leave when their contracts run out.
Kaufman stadium is a great place to see a ball game. Way back when we used to talk with Bo.
It is interesting to me that Baltimore is used as an example vis a vis Camden Yards. I actually have always ascribed to that notion of the success of urban renewal via publicly funded stadiums and commercial projects such as the now defunct Harborplace. On second thought however Baltimore is in such a state that many people fear going into the city and the news reports that citizens adjust their activities to avoid rampant crime. So it seems urban renewal is not helping the people who are being asked to pay for it. Rather it serves to further separate the haves and have nots.
Wait - you mean the working poor shouldn’t be taxed to pay for billionaire vanity projects?
Now I've got the monorail-song stuck in my head.
$100 billion will buy about 1.1 million Southwest full flights (175 seats on a 73u Max8) @ $500 a ticket, which is paying Business Select, essentially First Class for Southwest. Real rates are much lower.
F that train and all of the idiots involved with that project.