I also agree that the propagandists should be criminally charged. That pretty much covers most of the politicians in government, including Hillary Clinton.
In a movie, there would be a great scene, where the Hillary archtype would be saying this and the interviewer stops her at some point and says "It's funny you should say that...these officials here have a warrant for your arrest."
But these free speech laws ALWAYS except government officials and mainstream media. ALWAYS. They will come after people like me for writing -- or people like you for commenting.
Speaking to Hillary's point, there does need to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members. And sadly maybe an EMP to the atmosphere frying all electronic equipment might do it. Then the people would no longer be subjected to their programming while watching network television programming. By the way I do not advocate for this, do not want it. But one of the most effective things Trump ever did was point out "fake news." It's my same annoying mantra when battling the windmills, bots, and occasional people online "masks don't work, the vaccine was ineffective, and the restrictions were never warranted." Fake news...fake pandemic...fake war...fake crisis...real consequences.
It's a little ironic that between the time that Hillary first said this and today, the 'vote blue no matter who' people have -- without a vote -- shifted their support from Biden to Harris. No discussion, no voting, just "We like this person now."
On what legal basis in America would a censor require a social media provider’s Terms of Service to include definition of content restrictions (and associated penalties for violations)? Isn’t this exactly what 1A protects against?
I’m just noting that, for the survival of a business, it may not matter. To a certain extent, our immense and immensely powerful government defines what is legal and illegal at its whim.
On one hand, the constitution is the foundational law of the land. On the other hand, the people with guns patrolling the population centers are the law that rules my daily life.
Yep. When Herr Inslee was sending around jackboots to police businesses enforcing mask rules, one didn't have much time to point out the details of state law.
Well we kind of new this was coming when any nation that wanted to sign up to the internet when it was made international and public in the early 1990s (here), was more or less forced by the US to hand over code keys to the US. At least the US' western allies and pals had to.
"Echelon waves hello" so to speak.
Okay, okay, maybe I'm being unfair to people who weren't born then or were too young to know or care - but I guess almost none of us were around for the de facto censorship of the 1940s either.
At this point, I think it is impossible to root out the censorship, not that that should stop us shouting - screaming, even - about it. What needs to happen is a tech-upgrade outside of the control of the censorship-apparatus, but what that could be - that could also replace the mental clamps of FB and the like in the public mind, I haven't a clue.
Certainly not public education as it is today.
I'll just keep asking people "I have books, magazines and even comics that violate the hate speech laws - should I go to jail for that?" and watch the censorship-masturbators squirm in embarrassment.
the Supreme Court needs to call bs on all these workarounds and cut outs. It's obviously not kosher, but no one challenges it in any real way. I'd love to see Trump shut it all down...but he won't.
Well, Daylight Savings Time was a WWII emergency measure (still around.) The paycheck Withholding Tax (thanks Milton Friedman) was also a WWII emergency measure (still around.) Nixon took the dollar off of its link to gold on August 15th, 1971 as a "temporary measure" (still around.)
Most politicians can't spell "Constitution" let alone have read it. Same goes for most Americans.
I like the Monkey Vax Meme visuals, but find it upsetting as I liked Kong and the girl. I don't like Kong being the bad guy with the girl in the meme. In the movies, Kong protects the girl.
My neighbor who is very invested in national politics just put out a yard sign for a congressman who represents another district. He doesn’t know who his own congressman is. The level of ignorance regarding both large and small elements of government is staggering.
douglas, Oh, I agree that users of a bridge should pay for upkeep of same. But in San Francisco, the Golden Gate Bridge Authority (yes, it is its own bureaucracy) uses the toll money to subsidize buses and BART.
Also terrible. I just wanted to make the point that bridge tolls are not inherently bad policy. Lies and perversion of the application of the policy are bad policy and bad governance.
douglas, Good point! Oh, the Golden Gate Bridge Authority is quite the large bureaucracy. They have their own tow trucks, cops, maintain the automatic toll booths (the human toll takers were replaced by machines years ago), and they have a maintenance crew that works every day going from one end of the bridge to the other removing corrosion and repainting the bridge. The GGBA also has this strange machine that moves the moveable barrier on the bridge. There are six lanes of traffic on the Golden Gate. The moveable barrier makes the bridge 4 lanes one way and 2 lanes the other during morning and evening rush hour. It's quite an operation.
Sounds like VAT here. It was a wartime tax. When the war ended, it was renamed from OMS to MOMS and "hey presto, totes not a lie dear constituents".
I think the meme-maker was thinking of the old WW1-poster with the gorilla in a pickelhaube, wading ashore; the "Defeat this mad brute"-poster, and got his 'rillas mixed up.
House committee OKs Freeman bill to compensate communities with high percentage of tax-exempt properties
HARRISBURG, May 22 – The state would provide special financial assistance to municipalities with high levels of tax-exempt property, such as institutions of higher learning, nonprofit medical facilities, government offices or state forests and game lands, under legislation approved by the PA House Local Government Committee and introduced by state Rep. Robert Freeman.
“Municipalities in the Lehigh Valley and across Pennsylvania with a large amount of tax-exempt properties are faced with the challenge of providing residents with essential services but without a sustaining real estate tax revenue base,” said Freeman, D-Northampton. “My legislation would provide annual financial assistance to those affected municipalities, giving them the ability to provide those services that ensure the health and safety of their residents, and it would put their community in a more stable financial position to attract economic development and succeed.”
Freeman said H.B. 451 would establish the Tax-Exempt Property Municipal Assistance Fund to help municipalities with 15% or more of their total assessed property value as tax-exempt property within their borders. It would be funded by the state's existing 18% Liquor Tax, known as the Johnstown Flood Tax, which was created to help rebuild Johnstown after it was devastated by a flood in 1936.
“Many of the tax-exempt properties in our communities are significant employers and are important regional assets but being tax exempt means they do not pay real estate taxes to their host municipality. That puts an undue burden on residential property owners in those communities who must pick up the slack,” Freeman said. “A high percentage of tax-exempt properties within a municipality’s borders leaves the affected community with a greatly diminished tax base, which in turn makes it difficult to provide essential services. My proposal would provide the financial compensation necessary to put these high tax-exempt property municipalities on a sounder financial footing to ensure their stability and success as a community.
SC, 18% liquor tax!!! Moonshiners and home brewers unite! I hate the property taxes. These are wealth taxes and should be abolished. So, other citizens have to support communities with 15% of properties tax-exempt. Make ALL properties tax-exempt. Screw the government "workers". They've never done shite for me.
The outsourcing of censorship and surveillance discussion reminded me of "extraordinary rendition" in the years after 9/11, when the U.S. was shuttling captured enemy combatants from Afghanistan, primarily, to countries like Qatar and Pakistan to have them be manhandled by those countries.
FYI, screamers who have not seen/heard Tucker Carlson's interview of RFK Jr. and Larry Elder should check it out. In particular, RFK's summary of the Constitutional violations that occurred during the COVID madness is something you can share with your constitutionally ignorant fellow Americans. Because, as he stated, they can dial up a pandemic or other emergency at any moment and they absolutely will until Americans assert their God given rights and reinsert rule of law into this runaway tyranny that claims to rule over us.
The greatest thing about the Founders was how they all recognized they themselves were as likely as anyone else to need to be locked securely in the basement whenever the full moon rose.
I didn't watch that Adams mini-series. Did it cover when he tried to silence and imprison his opponents?
No. I watched that series and it showed some negative personality traits, but I don't remember them getting into the sedition act at all. Still a pretty decent show.
This Jefferson line is maybe the best in that regard: "in questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution."
I am half “Scandahoovian”…Finnish and Swedish..my Granny took my sisters and me to the Arctic Circle ( Romanievi) on June 21st, 1959… I will never forget it… and then I learned … that she was mesmerized by the full moon… and then I learned that people who originally came from areas close to the Arctic Circle are more effected by the Full Moon… and here I am, having taken note since I was 45…every month, unless it’s under cloud cover …. I’m not at the “ howling “ stage , but it is a real thing….
I'm also half Scandinavian. My mom said when I was young that I would sleep walk but only on nights of the full moon. I always said well we're 79% water and the moon affects the tides. So......
The entire checks-and-balances system is designed thinking that each branch would compete for power with the others. They envisioned politicians squabbling with one another. Once the 17th was on the books, that system was effectively dead and the politicians turned on us.
Well, in real life nobody actually likes the Constitution. It manages to thwart everyone's worst impulses in one way or another. This is basic to human nature. When the parents get old and feeble they sure as hell hate it when their kids say "because I said so..."
JFC what a chilling read.
When faced with a choice, a government always picks the route that gives it more power.
Humans suck that way.
Always. And what's more, they aren't interested in solving problems UNLESS it gets them more power.
Another "day" of some sort. One must invent their own constitution and live by it every day. The Cowboy Code is a good start.
I also agree that the propagandists should be criminally charged. That pretty much covers most of the politicians in government, including Hillary Clinton.
In a movie, there would be a great scene, where the Hillary archtype would be saying this and the interviewer stops her at some point and says "It's funny you should say that...these officials here have a warrant for your arrest."
But these free speech laws ALWAYS except government officials and mainstream media. ALWAYS. They will come after people like me for writing -- or people like you for commenting.
Speaking to Hillary's point, there does need to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members. And sadly maybe an EMP to the atmosphere frying all electronic equipment might do it. Then the people would no longer be subjected to their programming while watching network television programming. By the way I do not advocate for this, do not want it. But one of the most effective things Trump ever did was point out "fake news." It's my same annoying mantra when battling the windmills, bots, and occasional people online "masks don't work, the vaccine was ineffective, and the restrictions were never warranted." Fake news...fake pandemic...fake war...fake crisis...real consequences.
It's a little ironic that between the time that Hillary first said this and today, the 'vote blue no matter who' people have -- without a vote -- shifted their support from Biden to Harris. No discussion, no voting, just "We like this person now."
Fuzzy Dunlop!
YES! FINALLY SOME LOVE FOR MY BOY!
On what legal basis in America would a censor require a social media provider’s Terms of Service to include definition of content restrictions (and associated penalties for violations)? Isn’t this exactly what 1A protects against?
Many of the social media companies have significant government contracts. Those can go away.
Baseless but costly lawsuits and corrupt partisan judges can destroy a business.
Are these “legal”? Maybe not, but we see them happen without consequences to the government actors who employ them.
Looks like infringement, smells like infringement,…
I can accept your assessment.
I’m just noting that, for the survival of a business, it may not matter. To a certain extent, our immense and immensely powerful government defines what is legal and illegal at its whim.
On one hand, the constitution is the foundational law of the land. On the other hand, the people with guns patrolling the population centers are the law that rules my daily life.
Yep. When Herr Inslee was sending around jackboots to police businesses enforcing mask rules, one didn't have much time to point out the details of state law.
Well we kind of new this was coming when any nation that wanted to sign up to the internet when it was made international and public in the early 1990s (here), was more or less forced by the US to hand over code keys to the US. At least the US' western allies and pals had to.
"Echelon waves hello" so to speak.
Okay, okay, maybe I'm being unfair to people who weren't born then or were too young to know or care - but I guess almost none of us were around for the de facto censorship of the 1940s either.
At this point, I think it is impossible to root out the censorship, not that that should stop us shouting - screaming, even - about it. What needs to happen is a tech-upgrade outside of the control of the censorship-apparatus, but what that could be - that could also replace the mental clamps of FB and the like in the public mind, I haven't a clue.
Certainly not public education as it is today.
I'll just keep asking people "I have books, magazines and even comics that violate the hate speech laws - should I go to jail for that?" and watch the censorship-masturbators squirm in embarrassment.
the Supreme Court needs to call bs on all these workarounds and cut outs. It's obviously not kosher, but no one challenges it in any real way. I'd love to see Trump shut it all down...but he won't.
But just by defeating the instigating Democrats, DJT's win would be a step in the right direction.
Well, Daylight Savings Time was a WWII emergency measure (still around.) The paycheck Withholding Tax (thanks Milton Friedman) was also a WWII emergency measure (still around.) Nixon took the dollar off of its link to gold on August 15th, 1971 as a "temporary measure" (still around.)
Most politicians can't spell "Constitution" let alone have read it. Same goes for most Americans.
I like the Monkey Vax Meme visuals, but find it upsetting as I liked Kong and the girl. I don't like Kong being the bad guy with the girl in the meme. In the movies, Kong protects the girl.
Don't mess with my heroes.
My neighbor who is very invested in national politics just put out a yard sign for a congressman who represents another district. He doesn’t know who his own congressman is. The level of ignorance regarding both large and small elements of government is staggering.
Mary Ann, Your neighbor is hilarious! I have plenty of the same in my neighborhood. LOL.
Remember when toll roads on the interstates were only to collect money for a defined period?
It's everything.
Ryan, Yeah! LOL! The toll on the Golden Gate Bridge was just to pay off the bonds. I think the toll now is around $10 a crossing.
To be fair, a bridge must be maintained. A user fee is appropriate.
The lie about the toll being temporary is disgusting.
douglas, Oh, I agree that users of a bridge should pay for upkeep of same. But in San Francisco, the Golden Gate Bridge Authority (yes, it is its own bureaucracy) uses the toll money to subsidize buses and BART.
Also terrible. I just wanted to make the point that bridge tolls are not inherently bad policy. Lies and perversion of the application of the policy are bad policy and bad governance.
douglas, Good point! Oh, the Golden Gate Bridge Authority is quite the large bureaucracy. They have their own tow trucks, cops, maintain the automatic toll booths (the human toll takers were replaced by machines years ago), and they have a maintenance crew that works every day going from one end of the bridge to the other removing corrosion and repainting the bridge. The GGBA also has this strange machine that moves the moveable barrier on the bridge. There are six lanes of traffic on the Golden Gate. The moveable barrier makes the bridge 4 lanes one way and 2 lanes the other during morning and evening rush hour. It's quite an operation.
Also, I'd much more trust a private toll (roi sunshined and limited) than a public agency fee like the ones we have today.
Sounds like VAT here. It was a wartime tax. When the war ended, it was renamed from OMS to MOMS and "hey presto, totes not a lie dear constituents".
I think the meme-maker was thinking of the old WW1-poster with the gorilla in a pickelhaube, wading ashore; the "Defeat this mad brute"-poster, and got his 'rillas mixed up.
lol. you know she wanted him... bad....
The Johnstown Flood tax is still going strong, isn't it?
Edit -- not only is it going strong, it's being now being used for 'new' projects!
https://www.pahouse.com/Freeman/InTheNews/NewsRelease/?id=134202
House committee OKs Freeman bill to compensate communities with high percentage of tax-exempt properties
HARRISBURG, May 22 – The state would provide special financial assistance to municipalities with high levels of tax-exempt property, such as institutions of higher learning, nonprofit medical facilities, government offices or state forests and game lands, under legislation approved by the PA House Local Government Committee and introduced by state Rep. Robert Freeman.
“Municipalities in the Lehigh Valley and across Pennsylvania with a large amount of tax-exempt properties are faced with the challenge of providing residents with essential services but without a sustaining real estate tax revenue base,” said Freeman, D-Northampton. “My legislation would provide annual financial assistance to those affected municipalities, giving them the ability to provide those services that ensure the health and safety of their residents, and it would put their community in a more stable financial position to attract economic development and succeed.”
Freeman said H.B. 451 would establish the Tax-Exempt Property Municipal Assistance Fund to help municipalities with 15% or more of their total assessed property value as tax-exempt property within their borders. It would be funded by the state's existing 18% Liquor Tax, known as the Johnstown Flood Tax, which was created to help rebuild Johnstown after it was devastated by a flood in 1936.
“Many of the tax-exempt properties in our communities are significant employers and are important regional assets but being tax exempt means they do not pay real estate taxes to their host municipality. That puts an undue burden on residential property owners in those communities who must pick up the slack,” Freeman said. “A high percentage of tax-exempt properties within a municipality’s borders leaves the affected community with a greatly diminished tax base, which in turn makes it difficult to provide essential services. My proposal would provide the financial compensation necessary to put these high tax-exempt property municipalities on a sounder financial footing to ensure their stability and success as a community.
SC, 18% liquor tax!!! Moonshiners and home brewers unite! I hate the property taxes. These are wealth taxes and should be abolished. So, other citizens have to support communities with 15% of properties tax-exempt. Make ALL properties tax-exempt. Screw the government "workers". They've never done shite for me.
You want I should tip them off how the Swedish government does it?
Base rate times percentage alcohol (volume) times Liters equals the tax amount (for beer, for wine and stronger spirits it's higher still).
Rikard, The Swedes are crazy Lutherans, but at least Sweden didn't fall for the Covid Con.
Re. the monkey vaccine, it's hard to believe the FDA would dare to actually admit this and think there'd be many takers:-
"FDA Approves Vaccine for Mpox — Warns It May Cause Death in Vaccinated and People They Come in Contact With"
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-acam2000-mpox-vaccine-warning-death-unvaccinated/?utm_source=luminate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=defender&utm_id=20240917
The outsourcing of censorship and surveillance discussion reminded me of "extraordinary rendition" in the years after 9/11, when the U.S. was shuttling captured enemy combatants from Afghanistan, primarily, to countries like Qatar and Pakistan to have them be manhandled by those countries.
Great point!!
FYI, screamers who have not seen/heard Tucker Carlson's interview of RFK Jr. and Larry Elder should check it out. In particular, RFK's summary of the Constitutional violations that occurred during the COVID madness is something you can share with your constitutionally ignorant fellow Americans. Because, as he stated, they can dial up a pandemic or other emergency at any moment and they absolutely will until Americans assert their God given rights and reinsert rule of law into this runaway tyranny that claims to rule over us.
Hear, hear!
Sasha Stone has it up, too.
Link here: https://tuckercarlson.com/larry-elder-tour
First I've heard of this but I'll put it on after the Royals game is over!
The greatest thing about the Founders was how they all recognized they themselves were as likely as anyone else to need to be locked securely in the basement whenever the full moon rose.
I didn't watch that Adams mini-series. Did it cover when he tried to silence and imprison his opponents?
No. I watched that series and it showed some negative personality traits, but I don't remember them getting into the sedition act at all. Still a pretty decent show.
This Jefferson line is maybe the best in that regard: "in questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution."
With real heavy padlocks to secure 'em.
And “ tonight’s the night!”… Harvest Moon….its a real thing.. I’ll leave it at that, not to destroy what credibility I may have established here….
Mrs. McFarland, Your first and middle names wouldn't be "Mina Jo" would they? My first girlfriend was named Mina Jo McFarland.
LOL!! No, not my real name… it’s a reference to “Little Rascals” 😉
You bad girl. You've made me hungry for mooncakes now and there ain't no Chinatown in hailing distance from where I am.
I am half “Scandahoovian”…Finnish and Swedish..my Granny took my sisters and me to the Arctic Circle ( Romanievi) on June 21st, 1959… I will never forget it… and then I learned … that she was mesmerized by the full moon… and then I learned that people who originally came from areas close to the Arctic Circle are more effected by the Full Moon… and here I am, having taken note since I was 45…every month, unless it’s under cloud cover …. I’m not at the “ howling “ stage , but it is a real thing….
I'm also half Scandinavian. My mom said when I was young that I would sleep walk but only on nights of the full moon. I always said well we're 79% water and the moon affects the tides. So......
Can testify to it being a real thing, when the August Moon (Harvest Moon) hangs blood-red and bloated in the sky.
Something stirs, something deepest down as can be.
I think all myths begin with an observable experience then followed by thousands of years of the telephone game.
And my take is, anecdotal evidence should not be dismissed.
I agree.
https://www.healthline.com/health/full-moon-effects
The entire checks-and-balances system is designed thinking that each branch would compete for power with the others. They envisioned politicians squabbling with one another. Once the 17th was on the books, that system was effectively dead and the politicians turned on us.
https://dailyillini.com/opinions-stories/2020/01/30/repeal-17th-amendment/
A well stated argument for repeal here.
Well, in real life nobody actually likes the Constitution. It manages to thwart everyone's worst impulses in one way or another. This is basic to human nature. When the parents get old and feeble they sure as hell hate it when their kids say "because I said so..."
You are wrong.
I am in the real world, and I like the U.S. constitution.
I celebrate the fact that it throttles my own worst impulses, not just my opposition’s.
You too need to understand the use of rhetorical devices in writing.
Your arrogance is unearned.
You darling little thing!
No, disagree. Now take your freedom hating rear and find a hole to crawl into.
You never learned reading comprehension, did you?
You must be a real treat at a party.
You dear little thing.
Kudos for posting on this!
Thank you!