I can easily REMEMBER a more trusting human world! 🎵 "Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio, Jesus loves you more than you will know..."🎶🎶 Sorry, I felt compelled to sing that. How odd. Is that what I am, a classical liberal? I took a quiz that told me I was a libertarian. Who knew?
I'm relatively new to politics, so I don't know all the terms. That's why I took the quiz. 😄 I just know this is not the country I signed up for, but what's being exposed, by stirring up the muck is...wow. WOW. It's good for us, though. Like any medicine, it's not supposed to taste good.
"libertarian" is the word coined by post-WWII Classical Liberals (basically, believers in the U.S. Declaration Of Independence, and its implementing document, the U.S. Constitution, as properly amended to include *all* humans as natural-right-bearing in nature), after the Leftists (i.e. the Left side of the political axis, on which lies increasing State control and decreasing individual freedom until the Left endpoint of Fascism, which is 100% State control, 0% individual freedom), under the confusing-by-design "Progressive" label *stole* and *perverted* the words "liberty" and "liberal" in order to confuse the ignorant masses.
Sorry, I should probably have put the parentheticals in footnotes!
"Capitalism (true, not crony)" is synonymous with "Classical Liberal", but the term has likewise been co-opted and mis-defined by the Statists of this day.
I could go on with my *opinion* here, but I certainly don't mean to add to your (steep) learning curve. I applaud your efforts at self-education and forming your own individual opinion, as all *real* Classical Liberals would and do, no quiz necessary!
And your tune is not odd at all. It is perfectly a propos.
Again, thank you for your generous attempts at educating me. I appreciate all efforts put forth on my behalf. Yes, Joltin' Joe has left and gone away. Thank you again, you've been most kind.
Y'know, I have never understood closeted copsuckers. There's nothing wrong with being gay, and wanting to bottom for big, beefy dudes in uniform. If that's someone's kink, there are many, many big, ripped, hairy dudes in leather who are more than willing to turn your twink fantasies into ass-gougingly sphincter-stretched reality. Like, just go for it. Go find a bear bar, admit out loud that you want to be strapped down, helpless, over a table and go get your prostate tickled by a dozen dudes in uniform, before each one before shoots a load up your poop chute to lube things up for the next contestant on "The Prick Is Right". Like, seriously, no judgement, unless you try to turn the lack of worship for cops into some sort of deficiency. You do you, buddy. Just accept that your place is on your elbows and knees on the beer-soaked floor of a cop bar, taking load after load into your colon.
My kink is OK; And Walter53a, your kink is OK. No shame.
Anyone living in a city or state (or country) that does not allow you to defend your self & family with deadly force if needed needs to rethink their choice. Keep in mind, our society is relatively calm right now. What happens if things get tough, when the lights go out for a week, when people get hungry and looting & stealing starts? When you have what they want. You may think this will never happen to you (every victim always says “I never thought it would happen to me”) but I’ve lived in 3rd world countries and experienced 2 revolutions, one in Libya. I’ve seen women pulled out of their cars and beaten senseless. You think it won’t happen here, but there are cities in the US where rioting, looting and beatings are occurring regularly. All of this is happening in places that do not honor the 2nd Amendment. I’m a 70 yr old, well armed & trained woman, and if I can do it, anyone can.
Exactly! I fully expect this behavior to escalate, at least where there are no consequences. I, for one, refuse to be a victim of these thugs, or worse. In each case you noted, a willingness to act in self defense, with equal force, was missing.
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And yet there are people who will argue that only the cops and military should be armed. Yes, you can even lay out all of the facts presented here, and they will not be swayed. Some people just live in a fantasy that only shares a few contours with reality, and they think their fantasy is reality, and if they could, would insist that you must conform to that fantasy as well.
This recent (or maybe not recent) surge in "If I believe hard enough, it will become reality" is extremely dangerous. People need to understand the world doesn't work the way it does in their fantasies.
The root problem here, the case law aside, is the lack of accountability. You or I will get fired if we don't do our job. Cops don't get fired, not for doing their job badly or not even doing it at all. This is a product of bureaucratization, which always seeks to diminish accountability within the bureaucracy; layered over with union protections that no non-public union could ever force upon an employer.
I had to cut it to stay under the post limit, but here's a story about a woman suffering a mental health episode who called 9-1-1 for an ambulance. Instead, cops show up and fabricate an excuse to arrest her. They then leave the car door open, she falls out and dies less than a week later.
"According to the complaint, Primus “claimed he could smell alcohol on Brianna Grier, stating he was charging Grier with ‘public drunk,’” though Legette “later admitted to Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) officials that he did not smell alcohol”on her." Immediate termination. Kidnapping charges, constitutional violations, civil rights violations, lifetime ban from LEO careers.
Not closing the door is manslaughter at least. Not buckling in somebody who you have restrained and can’t protect themselves is another liability charge. Moving an injured person for non-immediately life threatening reason is reckless endangerment. And intentionally turning off the police cam during an emergency should also be a felony.
"Hancock County District Attorney announced that he would not be seeking criminal charges against the officers."
There should be some kind of charge for failure to do his job for this guy, too.
And some of these are the same people who argue that All Cops Are Bastards. People who argue both if these things simultaneously, that police are a bunch of triple plus fascists but still argue that police are the only ones who should be armed, are a special kind of stupid.
Our City Council representative had a staff member who was part of the international group all cops are bastards. You should read her emails to constituents. All taxpayers are bastards- of course she receives a nice salary
Did you catch the story in which some mid-level schmuck said that the reason kids fell behind when learning from home is because their teachers (meaning parents) were awful?
Governments always try to protect themselves seems to me the key lesson here. And, in terms of looking to the courts for rescue, it's important to remember that judges are government employees.
But just in case they did do something wrong, the judiciary grants surveillance to "find" something you did "wrong", that way they can rule the governments wrong behavior was right.
There's also the qualified immunity issue, where government workers are immune from lawsuits unless they've violated a “clearly established” legal or constitutional right. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/qualified_immunity
In a baffling decision by the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, earlier this month, a panel of judges unanimously ruled that Fresno police officers accused of stealing over $225,000 were entitled to “qualified immunity” and can’t be sued. Thanks to this doctrine, police officers, sheriff’s deputies, and other public functionaries are shielded from civil rights lawsuits.
While exercising a search warrant in 2013, Fresno police raided and seized $50,000 from Micah Jessop and Brittan Ashjian, two businessmen suspected of illegal gambling (neither was ever criminally charged). Worse, the two claimed that police actually grabbed $151,000 in cash and $125,000 in rare coins, and “stole the difference” above what was reported on the inventory sheet. Critically, the $225,000 that was allegedly stolen wasn’t included on the inventory report for seized property or booked into evidence.
Arguing that the alleged stealing violated their constitutional rights, Jessop and Ashjian sued. After all, the Fourth Amendment was a direct response to the infamous “general warrants” that let British officers ransack homes, which is why it specifically protects against “unreasonable searches and seizures;” police stealing for their own gain is hardly reasonable.
But under the U.S. Supreme Court’s precedents for qualified immunity, plaintiffs must show that their constitutional rights were violated and that their rights were “clearly established” at the time. According to the court, a right is “clearly established” only if “it would be clear to a reasonable officer that his conduct was unlawful.”
The supreme court has made it clear there will be no judicial remedy for the lack of accountability when police fail to protect and serve. It only took about a month for us to memory-hole the crime of mass cowardice committed by the Uvalde police. Everybody just forgot about it. Congress could pass statutes to abolish police unions and make "cowardice in the line of duty" a crime, but it will never happen because both parties are in league with the police unions. The only logical conclusion is to arm yourself to protect your family.
In “The Rise of the Warrior Cop”, libertarian journalist Radley Balko details how members of the military often object to phrases like “militarization of the police”, because, to them, police are not held to the same standard of internal-justice that members of the military are. Check out his Substack if you haven’t already!
(Ok, so it would be plenty sad enough if it was, but it's universal I think.)
The following are all my personal experiences, so the retelling has obvious bias.
1) I'm 17 when this happens. We're enjoying the sun and the beer while being seated at Sergel Plaza in Stockholm City (think the eq. of Times Square, only no skyscrapers obv.), music blaring on the ghettoblaster. Oi, punk, ska, anything stompy.
Two uniformed police saunters over and tells us to Fuck Off (in swedish, using foul language and being threatening). Your humble narrator pipes up: "Why?"
"Because you're drinking in a public place, now rotate!"
"Are you going to tell those guys to Fuck Off too? They're drinking moonshine out of plastic jerry-cans in the middle of the street!"
(It was two platoons of coast jaeger corps soldiers celebrating having finished their second tour of training. Coast Jaeger Corps is our eq. to LURPS and SEALS, combined.)
"You shut up and watch yourself or we'll take you downtown and break your arms!"
2) Putting it in sequence like this for readability.
Age 35-ish, living in Malmö, the Deep South of Sweden. I and a friend notice two dozen police, including a K-9 unit and a riot squad occupying a parking lot near a majort hroughfare where a bike lane intersects and crosses it.
We see that they're stopping bicyclists to check that they comply with regs re: bikes.
While I chat up one of the officers, asking what the big hoopla is about, seeing as I live nearby and the area was and iplagued by gang-related shootings, arson and bombings, I initialy think it's a dragnet of some kind. Meanwhile, my friend saunters off down the bike lane, out of sight.
No dragnet, I'm informed. Nothing to worry about, I'm told.
Suddenly we all notice that no-one is riding their bike past the cops. Everyone is leading them. (Leading a non-reg bicycle is never an offence.)
Two cops go to check it out and come back hauling my friend along. He's been standing a ways off, telling people about the cops.
Which according to the cops is a crime, he's messing up their stats. See, every time they stop someone, each of them get to make a mark that they've been involved in an "action", and they and their bosses get rated on how many "actions" they "solve".
3) So the above two are nothing compared to SimCom's examples. I could give some eq. examples from here but that would require me being even more wordy.
Right. Going on 40, still living in one of the top 5 No-Go zones of Sweden. That means at least one shooting per week, in an area no more than 1km*1km.
We have finally gotten the landlord - under threat of a lawsuit - to send a certified repairman to fix our bathroom. The floor was slanting away from spill-hole in the floor. So the guy is breaking and grinding the floor, so he can smooth it and re-mold a new one on top. Noisy work, so we retreat to our home-office (a fancy name for a 2m*3m cubby).
After half an hour, the repairman slams the door open yelling he's going home, he's clearly hyperstressed. Turns out, someone had been banging on the front door which wecouldn't hear due to the layout of the apartment. It's a guy from an apartment from the next stairwell, hopped up on something and roid-raging. He threatens to murder the repairman with an axe, which he proceeds to hack at our front door with. Then he leaves.
We call police, who initially says: "But since no-one is hurt, nothing happened."
45 minutes later, two twigs in police-uniforms ambles in. We have to badger them to take the guys statement. I tell them the perps name, adress, what he looks like and they leave.
15 minutes later I'm taking out the trash and walking the repairman to his car. In the yard (we lived in the kind of block that has a big shared yard in the middle of it) I meet the twigs, leaning against the wall and having a smoke.
"Fair enough", I think, "guy must have legged it before they got here and they decided to have their break".
Upon asking, I get this reply in surly drawling scanian (think someone being haughty in Southern Drawl):
"Augh, is ya so stoopid ya don' get we cain't ring every darn door in that stairwell!?"
(Two doors per landing, five stories.)
"Gie'us a ring if he bother ya'll again, aight?"
I think that event is what cemented my view of modern, post-1980s police in Sweden. Corrupt, or useless, or incompetent, or cowards or any combination you prefer.
I have worse stories, but thankfully I wasn't the victim of police abuse in them.
Do you want to be right (meaning: factually correct), or do you want to be right (meaning: morally correct according to your moral system) or do you want to be in power?
I use an axe for a metaphor since it's got a handle, a hammer and an edge. The edge is facts, the hammer morals and the handle is where the power is.
In that kenning lies the bitter root of the problem.
In such a simple situation as police not doing what each of them was expected to do, paid substantial cake to do, I see that their protective union is too strong. I have a difficult time absorbing that this is not reflective of a type of perversion, entitlement that I cannot relate to. Coming from the private sector I have existed by overdelivering to keep my job. In a way I'm a bit communist about the private/public sector social contract. It has become distorted. I do not trust the police to do what they are supposed to and from having family members that ARE police, very much know them to act in their own self interest and to hold viewpoints about the people they allegedly serve to be offensive given my own values of service. And many to be paid more than their cognitive abilities are worth. Can't speak to risk, but I do know they would not take a beating much less a bullet for the public
Not quite such an interesting story, but I remember when we had a month-long utility dig that closed two major arteries. The builder hired a bunch of policeman to manage traffic for the duration. On my way to work simply every single day of that month, There were no police in sight or one would be beside his car doing fuck all while people were combatting each other to make a left or right turn. I pulled into a parking lot of the commuter train, have a missed my train, in front of a nearby breakfast restaurant I saw five police cars and all the cops were in the restaurant WTF. Because I am a see you next Tuesday. I called the builder and told him he said he was paying 250+ plus plus an hour for each cop 2 cops per car.
Other riders were dialing 9-1-1, but cops had no duty to show up. Even if they did show up they had no duty to intervene. Neely could have stabbed everybody on the train to death while the cops sat by and ate donuts...........
This is high on my list of reasons why I am a 2A supporter. At the top of the list, though, is because it gives citizens some leverage in case the government decides to start putting on the Reich.
My family is from Ct. I grew up in a middle class white suburb. Ct is known for being a rich state. It is also very corrupt, and quite evil.
My daughter was kidnapped by Judge Jane Emon's private police lackeys. She was taken in the middle of the night, carried out against my will and handed over to her father for 2.5 months, during which time she was physically, mentally, and sexually abused.
Emons is a judge known to allow sexual abuse of children. In a state that appoints judges for life, with zero systems in place for checks and balances, everybody knows which judge to use for which crime$. Emmons was known to use the police to do her private bidding.
My daughter was 4 years old then. She is scarred for life.
Oh...no one ever denied the sexual abuse. There was a letter presented to the court from the father's team, stating that HE was easy prey to his "provocative" child and that she was the sexual aggressor. The judge agreed.
This isn't an uncommon story in Ct, where child victims are silenced and crimes are considered just if the judge is properly paid.
Ct's go to judge if you wanted to buy a child for your personal pleasure.
There's a reason she refused to allow Yale to testify and blow her whole ugly evil into the public eye. Ct is rife with child sex abuse...the money keeps it hushed.
Typical CT judge and cops. People harmed by Jane Emons actually put up a bill board on the main highway, regarding her ill behavior. With absolute power comes absolute corruption. She is a prime example of legislators doing as they please with life time judicial appointments.
Yale begged to testify on my daughter's behalf. Emmons ordered, on her own initiative, that Yale would never testify, and that if anyone, parents, lawyer, GAL, even spoke with Yale or allowed my daughter further treatment ever again, we'd be held in contempt. Emmons was well known for making orders that no one asked for. Orders that were always cruel and heartless. She even ordered that I was not allowed to leave the state of Ct without her express permission. Just tip of the authoritarian iceberg.
THIS is what the world has become. Emmons is a ripple in the pond, or rather the cesspool that our society has become.
Oh, there are a few hundred families, at least, who would be happy to be part of the pitchfork mob. It's a shame no one thought to organize sooner and publicize things. The last thing people like that want, is all the state's dirty little secrets to be exposed....quite embarrassing!
I have heard they tried a class action law suit a year or so ago, but then I heard no more. The judge is, after all married to the states district attorney. They are untouchably rich and powerful.
It's worse in Canada, where there is no right to self defence. You cannot defend yourself, your spouse, or your home. If you do, then you better call a lawyer, and shut up! You, the victim, are required to prove 'equal or lesser force,' and even then the process is the punishment. Enjoy having a felony charge on your record, even if proven innocent/not guilty, forever.
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I'm a full supporter of 2A. Remember, it is your RIGHT. 2A is a negative right, given by our divine sentience (or god, you pick). Never forget that, and never surrender an inch to some fool's conditional phrasing.
A 17-year-old girl in Sonderberg, Denmark is facing legal consequences after fighting off her rapist with pepper spray.
The young girl was attacked by a man on the night of January 20 in a city center where, after forcing her to the ground and unbuttoning her pants, she sprayed the man with pepper spray and she was able to escape.
While her attacker fled, the young girl stayed around and immediately reported the incident, recounting the details of the whole scene to authorities.
In Denmark, it is illegal to possess and use pepper spray, and since she admitted to using it on her rapist, she was fined $73 and faces a possible charge.
Denmark has the same basic law-structure on this as we do.
Basically, all self-defence sprays fall under the general weapon law since they can and has been used as offensive weapons (in the early 1980s, illegally imported tear-gas from West Germany was popular among criminals).
You have to apply for permission from police, which are under orders to be "very restrictive", bureaucratish for "forget it, bub".
Also, at least in Sweden, police may rule any object on your person as an illegal weapon should they find it warranted. Initially, this writing came about to avoid having to list every possible permutation of "knife" or "hand-held weapon" but now it is used as a purely oppressive measure, just to ensure the odds are stacked against you in court and as a way to harass people giving officers lip.
Our politicians fear an armed citizenry far more than yours do.
Swedish history is rife with uprisings, both large ones and local, up until the last one (or as I hope, latest one...) in 1811: farmer's revolting against conscription and an officer corps consisting of nobles who treated the soldiery and their families like animals.
In historical times, pre-1800s, it was not too uncommon for state functionaires of the venal and vile kind to have... accidents.
In fact, tomorrow we celebrate the 500-year anniversary of Gustav Eriksson, King Vasa I, and his uprising against the Danes and their much-reviled and hated King of the time, Christian II, the Tyrant.
Funnily enough, according to the Kalmar Union treaty, Gustav Eriksson would in modern parlance be called a domestic terrorist and insurgent. Just goes to show, if you win? You were in the right all along.
"The right to keep and bear arms" is a **HUMAN** right. Not one held by Americans alone.
Yours may be abrogated by corrupt demiaristocracy, but it exists nonetheless.
I pray for the spirit of Carl Gustav to deliver you from harm.
(OK, apparently I'm on quite a roll tonight, and perhaps I should go to bed. Not that I don't **mean** it all, just that maybe I shouldn't say it all out loud. :-/ )
That ought to mean, logically, that it is more rational to kill an intruder and dump the corpse and keep schtum, than it is to try and subdue and call police.
Under our laws, if you use force (including lethal force) you are committing a crime but if the court find the level and amount of force justified, it gets declared as falling under the emergency self-defence requirement.
Flat out, logically, it is more rational to kill an intruder and dump the corpse and keep silent, than it is to try to subdue your potential murderer, and then call the police.
Full stop.
Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six, but best of all to not be judged at all.
I'm a little late to the party, but I honestly think this is one of your best pieces. I had no idea about any of this. I really want to ask someone, "So what exactly is the job of the police then?" I mean, if it's not to serve and protect, why are we spending money on them? They seem worse than useless.
I think, however, we can draw a more general conclusion from this. There are many "institutions" that we think are necessary evils: police, specifically, and government more generally. But in the end we just discover they are, well, just evils in their current state because they end up being in the way (as in Uvalde) or just downright malignant, like the fat cop that shot the two dogs running a lonely stretch of Idaho interstate because they wouldn't come (funny how scared dogs are like that) and his excuse was they were going to cause an accident. (My take was that the cop was a fat f--k who was angry at the canines because they made him go at a faster pace than a waddle.) A handful of volunteer motorists would have done better with the dogs.
So, no, we don't want to put our faith in the police or the government. We are better off putting our faith in ourselves and those right around us that we trust.
To answer your question, the task of the police is the same as always: to maintain law and order.
Meaning they are always the enforcers of the current socio-political-economical order of a society.
It has always been thus, everywhere, and cannot be any other way.
To make us feel better, we have the fairytale of the dilligent and dutiful policeman serving ideals of fairness and justice; in reality police are selected mainly for obedience, fitting in, and loyalty.
If society's ideals put into practice are ones of fairness and justice, then the police will largely adhere to those; the ideals of the ruling caste can be gleaned from studying their enforcers' behaviour, accountability and priorities.
"There are two kinds of people who laugh at the idea of Law: those who break them, and those who make them"
"If society's ideals put into practice are ones of fairness and justice, then the police will largely adhere to those; the ideals of the ruling caste can be gleaned from studying their enforcers' behaviour, accountability and priorities."
It reminds me of a parallel to the nature of the political leaders of a culture.
A college buddy (yes, decades ago!) told me once that there is no essential difference between Capitalism and Socialism (even he would say Statism today) because in either "the cream rises to the top."
Of course, he was completely ignoring the unassailable truth that the political system would completely define "the cream," and that would make all and every difference!
I would tell your friend that he is right only in so far as all systems order themselves in a hierarchy, but that doesn't always mean "the cream" rises to the top. In either system, if it becomes sick (socialism becomes one-party totalitarian rule while capitalism becomes quasi-fascism) those at the top are less cream and more some rotted form of decayed and depraved scum.
(I don't think I responded at all, being still too young and naive, but at least the idea stuck in my memory!)
I agree with your observation, but it still avoids the necessary differentiation in political systems vis-a-vis a defense of individual freedom.
Yes, Capitalism *does* essentially depend on an *aware* population to succeed in delivering *real* freedom, but Socialism, in any form benign or end-state, sublimates *any* merely popular opinion.
That is why the U.S. Constitution, in putting the individual (for the first time in human history) above the group (especially society, the emphasis of Socialism) in precedence/importance, is the only hope to avoid bloody revolution.
(I only take issue for clarity's sake, M. Lillia. I think you agree, judging by your excellent posts!)
It's important to remember that the most important part of "Geheimnestaatspolizei" was "Polizei".
They were "just doing their jobs". And so are our cops.
No, I am not saying that all cops are equivalent of the Nazis, because that would be as retardedly hyperbolic as the lefties. But it's important to remember that their job is to enforce order and not justice, and most of them will follow their paycheck as far as they need to.
But to wilfully ignore someone's frantic and repeated 911 calls, does not sound like enforcing order. Are we supposed to give them extra hazard pay if they're facing an armed assailant, or will they simply choose not to engage, if they assess the situation to be above and beyond what's expected of them? And they want to take our guns away? Something doesn't add up and why should we put up with this? I'm getting madder by the minute, the more I think about it.
My personal take on Uvalde is if I was one of those cops I would've gone home and eaten a bullet. I couldn't live with that on my conscience.
But we do need police, and even more desperately we need them to be accountable, for what they do and what they don't do. How we do that I have no real idea, because politics is a stupid business run by stupid people.
Oh, there you are. I hadn't seen anyone ask the obvious questions, but you've asked all the right ones. Why ARE we paying them, if not for protection? I don't want to sound like I'm calling for defunding the police, just to have them do the job we've counted on them to do, in the past. It sounds absurd to me that if you call 911, you shouldn't take it for granted that several professionally trained men, armed with lethal weapons will be there shortly to handle the situation, bc you are unable to on your own, with no such weapons or training. Something has gone terribly wrong with our government.
Yes, and now that I know ahead of time, that there's really no guarantee that anyone will respond like the cavalry, to bring guns and expertise to thwart whoever might be creeping around my house looking to do me harm...I definitely need a gun. Hawaii probably has the strictest gun laws in the country, so I might have to get creative. I have "friends", if you get my drift. 😉
I'm over 70 and have opposed war most of my life; yet this expose of the real role and limitations of police in domestic society, I find absolutely shocking. Thanks for the final red pill!
Here's another one, and many of the police in this video were wearing uniforms we had never seen before - we didn't recognise the patches or gear. It's in the state of Victoria in Australia which is a 'UN Smart City" (the whole state). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZiTK1q5uJc
Have a look at the UN mercenary thugs beating on protesters and truckers in Ottawa in Feb., 2022. Apparently the fearless cavalry riding over the woman in the wheelchair were from Toronto.
Unconfirmed reports were that the mercenaries were not conversing in French or English.
UN contractors. The Venn diagram for the New World Order, The UN, and the WEF is largely three overlapped circles.
JT and Chrystia Freeland are WEF YGL's, Freeland on the executive. I'm sure Klaus would do a favour for his good buddy, Justin, and send in the clowns.
Dude, very well written article and I thank you for writing it. I’ve read all of the comments as well and I feel smarter, wiser, and, admittedly, more frustrated for having done so. There were a number of times when I needed to take a short break before continuing.
There’s really nothing I can add to the conversation without feeling like I’m being gratuitous other than to thank everyone who lent their voices and stories to this discussion.
And they will prosecute you for doing the job they won't.
We have been living under anarcho-tyranny for a long-assed time. Decades. You think it's bad how the system won't prosecute Neely, but will prosecute Penny for doing the cops' jobs? That's been the case for **DECADES**.
Excellent. To quote Legalman, (@UScrimeReview) on the Delingpole podcast, it should be obvious by now that the fuzz are in collusion with the mobsters and hoods running government. You pay the protection money in the form of mandatory taxes, but that is no guarantee you'll be protected. This is worthwhile insight that could save you a lot of anguish.
A thoughtful comment from walter53a@duck.com, who's clearly too stupid to figure out the comment section:
Eat shit
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Good thing we're a skeptical bunch!
It's so sad that we must be.
Yes!
Especially since we Classical Liberals can *easily* see a more trusting human world, over-all.
I can easily REMEMBER a more trusting human world! 🎵 "Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio, Jesus loves you more than you will know..."🎶🎶 Sorry, I felt compelled to sing that. How odd. Is that what I am, a classical liberal? I took a quiz that told me I was a libertarian. Who knew?
Classical liberals are libertarians these days for sure. "Actual" liberals went authoritarian as soon as they got the whip.
I'm relatively new to politics, so I don't know all the terms. That's why I took the quiz. 😄 I just know this is not the country I signed up for, but what's being exposed, by stirring up the muck is...wow. WOW. It's good for us, though. Like any medicine, it's not supposed to taste good.
"libertarian" is the word coined by post-WWII Classical Liberals (basically, believers in the U.S. Declaration Of Independence, and its implementing document, the U.S. Constitution, as properly amended to include *all* humans as natural-right-bearing in nature), after the Leftists (i.e. the Left side of the political axis, on which lies increasing State control and decreasing individual freedom until the Left endpoint of Fascism, which is 100% State control, 0% individual freedom), under the confusing-by-design "Progressive" label *stole* and *perverted* the words "liberty" and "liberal" in order to confuse the ignorant masses.
Sorry, I should probably have put the parentheticals in footnotes!
"Capitalism (true, not crony)" is synonymous with "Classical Liberal", but the term has likewise been co-opted and mis-defined by the Statists of this day.
I could go on with my *opinion* here, but I certainly don't mean to add to your (steep) learning curve. I applaud your efforts at self-education and forming your own individual opinion, as all *real* Classical Liberals would and do, no quiz necessary!
And your tune is not odd at all. It is perfectly a propos.
Again, thank you for your generous attempts at educating me. I appreciate all efforts put forth on my behalf. Yes, Joltin' Joe has left and gone away. Thank you again, you've been most kind.
Y'know, I have never understood closeted copsuckers. There's nothing wrong with being gay, and wanting to bottom for big, beefy dudes in uniform. If that's someone's kink, there are many, many big, ripped, hairy dudes in leather who are more than willing to turn your twink fantasies into ass-gougingly sphincter-stretched reality. Like, just go for it. Go find a bear bar, admit out loud that you want to be strapped down, helpless, over a table and go get your prostate tickled by a dozen dudes in uniform, before each one before shoots a load up your poop chute to lube things up for the next contestant on "The Prick Is Right". Like, seriously, no judgement, unless you try to turn the lack of worship for cops into some sort of deficiency. You do you, buddy. Just accept that your place is on your elbows and knees on the beer-soaked floor of a cop bar, taking load after load into your colon.
My kink is OK; And Walter53a, your kink is OK. No shame.
Omg!
I understand your point, but brother, you went too deep into that analogy.
There's no kill like overkill... 😁
Wut?
Mocking folks who slobber over the "thin blue line" as though they can do no wrong.
‘53 was the year Walter was born in. I’m glad he figured out email.
Anyone living in a city or state (or country) that does not allow you to defend your self & family with deadly force if needed needs to rethink their choice. Keep in mind, our society is relatively calm right now. What happens if things get tough, when the lights go out for a week, when people get hungry and looting & stealing starts? When you have what they want. You may think this will never happen to you (every victim always says “I never thought it would happen to me”) but I’ve lived in 3rd world countries and experienced 2 revolutions, one in Libya. I’ve seen women pulled out of their cars and beaten senseless. You think it won’t happen here, but there are cities in the US where rioting, looting and beatings are occurring regularly. All of this is happening in places that do not honor the 2nd Amendment. I’m a 70 yr old, well armed & trained woman, and if I can do it, anyone can.
Case in point:
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1665442944973668352
Exactly! I fully expect this behavior to escalate, at least where there are no consequences. I, for one, refuse to be a victim of these thugs, or worse. In each case you noted, a willingness to act in self defense, with equal force, was missing.
There are no consequences....
And yet there are people who will argue that only the cops and military should be armed. Yes, you can even lay out all of the facts presented here, and they will not be swayed. Some people just live in a fantasy that only shares a few contours with reality, and they think their fantasy is reality, and if they could, would insist that you must conform to that fantasy as well.
This recent (or maybe not recent) surge in "If I believe hard enough, it will become reality" is extremely dangerous. People need to understand the world doesn't work the way it does in their fantasies.
The root problem here, the case law aside, is the lack of accountability. You or I will get fired if we don't do our job. Cops don't get fired, not for doing their job badly or not even doing it at all. This is a product of bureaucratization, which always seeks to diminish accountability within the bureaucracy; layered over with union protections that no non-public union could ever force upon an employer.
I had to cut it to stay under the post limit, but here's a story about a woman suffering a mental health episode who called 9-1-1 for an ambulance. Instead, cops show up and fabricate an excuse to arrest her. They then leave the car door open, she falls out and dies less than a week later.
No charges for the cops.
https://reason.com/2023/05/26/a-georgia-woman-died-after-falling-out-of-a-moving-patrol-car-now-her-family-is-suing-the-cops-responsible/
The first comment on Reason nails it:
"According to the complaint, Primus “claimed he could smell alcohol on Brianna Grier, stating he was charging Grier with ‘public drunk,’” though Legette “later admitted to Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) officials that he did not smell alcohol”on her." Immediate termination. Kidnapping charges, constitutional violations, civil rights violations, lifetime ban from LEO careers.
Not closing the door is manslaughter at least. Not buckling in somebody who you have restrained and can’t protect themselves is another liability charge. Moving an injured person for non-immediately life threatening reason is reckless endangerment. And intentionally turning off the police cam during an emergency should also be a felony.
"Hancock County District Attorney announced that he would not be seeking criminal charges against the officers."
There should be some kind of charge for failure to do his job for this guy, too.
What do you mean no accountability?!...:)
This is accountability:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/02/politics/secret-service-personal-phones-disciplinary-measures/index.html
Oh gods, another mandatory annual refresher training.
https://www.duffelblog.com/p/sailor-who-missed-mandatory-training-becomes-drug-dealing-sex-trafficking-spy-for-russia
Everyone is a liberal; until they get mugged. pfft idealists.
Or a conservative until they get arrested.
It's innate blindness in one eye or the other, and usually willful more than natural.
Yes, excellent counterpoint!
And some of these are the same people who argue that All Cops Are Bastards. People who argue both if these things simultaneously, that police are a bunch of triple plus fascists but still argue that police are the only ones who should be armed, are a special kind of stupid.
Them: "ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS!
ONLY COPS SHOULD BE ARMED!"
Me: "Wait, what"
Our City Council representative had a staff member who was part of the international group all cops are bastards. You should read her emails to constituents. All taxpayers are bastards- of course she receives a nice salary
I would love to do that, do you have a link?
Did you catch the story in which some mid-level schmuck said that the reason kids fell behind when learning from home is because their teachers (meaning parents) were awful?
Edit: Found a link with the actual email: https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1659220531529351169
See my note above. The police think they are military, not "civilians."
Amen! We need to go back to ties and officer caps. Stop brainwashing the 100 pound blond chick cop that she’s Rambo.
Governments always try to protect themselves seems to me the key lesson here. And, in terms of looking to the courts for rescue, it's important to remember that judges are government employees.
"Government investigates the government and finds the government did nothing wrong."
But just in case they did do something wrong, the judiciary grants surveillance to "find" something you did "wrong", that way they can rule the governments wrong behavior was right.
Those are your "rights" these days.
There's also the qualified immunity issue, where government workers are immune from lawsuits unless they've violated a “clearly established” legal or constitutional right. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/qualified_immunity
Also an extremely important issue.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2019/09/17/federal-court-cops-accused-of-stealing-over-225000-have-legal-immunity/
In a baffling decision by the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, earlier this month, a panel of judges unanimously ruled that Fresno police officers accused of stealing over $225,000 were entitled to “qualified immunity” and can’t be sued. Thanks to this doctrine, police officers, sheriff’s deputies, and other public functionaries are shielded from civil rights lawsuits.
While exercising a search warrant in 2013, Fresno police raided and seized $50,000 from Micah Jessop and Brittan Ashjian, two businessmen suspected of illegal gambling (neither was ever criminally charged). Worse, the two claimed that police actually grabbed $151,000 in cash and $125,000 in rare coins, and “stole the difference” above what was reported on the inventory sheet. Critically, the $225,000 that was allegedly stolen wasn’t included on the inventory report for seized property or booked into evidence.
Arguing that the alleged stealing violated their constitutional rights, Jessop and Ashjian sued. After all, the Fourth Amendment was a direct response to the infamous “general warrants” that let British officers ransack homes, which is why it specifically protects against “unreasonable searches and seizures;” police stealing for their own gain is hardly reasonable.
But under the U.S. Supreme Court’s precedents for qualified immunity, plaintiffs must show that their constitutional rights were violated and that their rights were “clearly established” at the time. According to the court, a right is “clearly established” only if “it would be clear to a reasonable officer that his conduct was unlawful.”
I **hate** that song. I wish the radio would stop playing it.
The supreme court has made it clear there will be no judicial remedy for the lack of accountability when police fail to protect and serve. It only took about a month for us to memory-hole the crime of mass cowardice committed by the Uvalde police. Everybody just forgot about it. Congress could pass statutes to abolish police unions and make "cowardice in the line of duty" a crime, but it will never happen because both parties are in league with the police unions. The only logical conclusion is to arm yourself to protect your family.
I agree. Such rules apply for soldiers, but strangely not for police, so we cannot exact the service we pay for.
The vocabulary is instructive.
Police refer to us as "civilians" not "citizens", which exposes their attitude that they are not also citizens, but military.
In “The Rise of the Warrior Cop”, libertarian journalist Radley Balko details how members of the military often object to phrases like “militarization of the police”, because, to them, police are not held to the same standard of internal-justice that members of the military are. Check out his Substack if you haven’t already!
https://radleybalko.substack.com
Yea, Balko is a good guy, and has been on this for some time.
It's not a USA thing, sadly.
(Ok, so it would be plenty sad enough if it was, but it's universal I think.)
The following are all my personal experiences, so the retelling has obvious bias.
1) I'm 17 when this happens. We're enjoying the sun and the beer while being seated at Sergel Plaza in Stockholm City (think the eq. of Times Square, only no skyscrapers obv.), music blaring on the ghettoblaster. Oi, punk, ska, anything stompy.
Two uniformed police saunters over and tells us to Fuck Off (in swedish, using foul language and being threatening). Your humble narrator pipes up: "Why?"
"Because you're drinking in a public place, now rotate!"
"Are you going to tell those guys to Fuck Off too? They're drinking moonshine out of plastic jerry-cans in the middle of the street!"
(It was two platoons of coast jaeger corps soldiers celebrating having finished their second tour of training. Coast Jaeger Corps is our eq. to LURPS and SEALS, combined.)
"You shut up and watch yourself or we'll take you downtown and break your arms!"
That was me, shutting up and shuffling off.
2) Putting it in sequence like this for readability.
Age 35-ish, living in Malmö, the Deep South of Sweden. I and a friend notice two dozen police, including a K-9 unit and a riot squad occupying a parking lot near a majort hroughfare where a bike lane intersects and crosses it.
We see that they're stopping bicyclists to check that they comply with regs re: bikes.
While I chat up one of the officers, asking what the big hoopla is about, seeing as I live nearby and the area was and iplagued by gang-related shootings, arson and bombings, I initialy think it's a dragnet of some kind. Meanwhile, my friend saunters off down the bike lane, out of sight.
No dragnet, I'm informed. Nothing to worry about, I'm told.
Suddenly we all notice that no-one is riding their bike past the cops. Everyone is leading them. (Leading a non-reg bicycle is never an offence.)
Two cops go to check it out and come back hauling my friend along. He's been standing a ways off, telling people about the cops.
Which according to the cops is a crime, he's messing up their stats. See, every time they stop someone, each of them get to make a mark that they've been involved in an "action", and they and their bosses get rated on how many "actions" they "solve".
Not very confidence-inspiring.
3) So the above two are nothing compared to SimCom's examples. I could give some eq. examples from here but that would require me being even more wordy.
Right. Going on 40, still living in one of the top 5 No-Go zones of Sweden. That means at least one shooting per week, in an area no more than 1km*1km.
We have finally gotten the landlord - under threat of a lawsuit - to send a certified repairman to fix our bathroom. The floor was slanting away from spill-hole in the floor. So the guy is breaking and grinding the floor, so he can smooth it and re-mold a new one on top. Noisy work, so we retreat to our home-office (a fancy name for a 2m*3m cubby).
After half an hour, the repairman slams the door open yelling he's going home, he's clearly hyperstressed. Turns out, someone had been banging on the front door which wecouldn't hear due to the layout of the apartment. It's a guy from an apartment from the next stairwell, hopped up on something and roid-raging. He threatens to murder the repairman with an axe, which he proceeds to hack at our front door with. Then he leaves.
We call police, who initially says: "But since no-one is hurt, nothing happened."
45 minutes later, two twigs in police-uniforms ambles in. We have to badger them to take the guys statement. I tell them the perps name, adress, what he looks like and they leave.
15 minutes later I'm taking out the trash and walking the repairman to his car. In the yard (we lived in the kind of block that has a big shared yard in the middle of it) I meet the twigs, leaning against the wall and having a smoke.
"Fair enough", I think, "guy must have legged it before they got here and they decided to have their break".
Upon asking, I get this reply in surly drawling scanian (think someone being haughty in Southern Drawl):
"Augh, is ya so stoopid ya don' get we cain't ring every darn door in that stairwell!?"
(Two doors per landing, five stories.)
"Gie'us a ring if he bother ya'll again, aight?"
I think that event is what cemented my view of modern, post-1980s police in Sweden. Corrupt, or useless, or incompetent, or cowards or any combination you prefer.
I have worse stories, but thankfully I wasn't the victim of police abuse in them.
Same. The details differ, but I could hum along to the tune.
Isn't ironic how ultimately, **we** are the voices of civilization here, despite being so at odds with the notional keepers of it?
It's the old balancing act on the axe-edge:
Do you want to be right (meaning: factually correct), or do you want to be right (meaning: morally correct according to your moral system) or do you want to be in power?
I use an axe for a metaphor since it's got a handle, a hammer and an edge. The edge is facts, the hammer morals and the handle is where the power is.
In that kenning lies the bitter root of the problem.
In such a simple situation as police not doing what each of them was expected to do, paid substantial cake to do, I see that their protective union is too strong. I have a difficult time absorbing that this is not reflective of a type of perversion, entitlement that I cannot relate to. Coming from the private sector I have existed by overdelivering to keep my job. In a way I'm a bit communist about the private/public sector social contract. It has become distorted. I do not trust the police to do what they are supposed to and from having family members that ARE police, very much know them to act in their own self interest and to hold viewpoints about the people they allegedly serve to be offensive given my own values of service. And many to be paid more than their cognitive abilities are worth. Can't speak to risk, but I do know they would not take a beating much less a bullet for the public
Not quite such an interesting story, but I remember when we had a month-long utility dig that closed two major arteries. The builder hired a bunch of policeman to manage traffic for the duration. On my way to work simply every single day of that month, There were no police in sight or one would be beside his car doing fuck all while people were combatting each other to make a left or right turn. I pulled into a parking lot of the commuter train, have a missed my train, in front of a nearby breakfast restaurant I saw five police cars and all the cops were in the restaurant WTF. Because I am a see you next Tuesday. I called the builder and told him he said he was paying 250+ plus plus an hour for each cop 2 cops per car.
"It’s only been a month or so since the incident in which Daniel Penny choked Jordan Neely to death on a subway car,"
since the incident of Jordan Neely dying after Daniel Penny restrained Neely from fulfilling his threats of harm to other passengers.
Other riders were dialing 9-1-1, but cops had no duty to show up. Even if they did show up they had no duty to intervene. Neely could have stabbed everybody on the train to death while the cops sat by and ate donuts...........
These are eye opening case studies.
A lot of people that I talk to are as flabbergasted as I was.
This is high on my list of reasons why I am a 2A supporter. At the top of the list, though, is because it gives citizens some leverage in case the government decides to start putting on the Reich.
I agree, but even the people who think government would never do such a thing (lol) should understand that the state has no duty to protect them.
Time to exit the matrix....reality is ugly.
My family is from Ct. I grew up in a middle class white suburb. Ct is known for being a rich state. It is also very corrupt, and quite evil.
My daughter was kidnapped by Judge Jane Emon's private police lackeys. She was taken in the middle of the night, carried out against my will and handed over to her father for 2.5 months, during which time she was physically, mentally, and sexually abused.
Emons is a judge known to allow sexual abuse of children. In a state that appoints judges for life, with zero systems in place for checks and balances, everybody knows which judge to use for which crime$. Emmons was known to use the police to do her private bidding.
My daughter was 4 years old then. She is scarred for life.
Oh...no one ever denied the sexual abuse. There was a letter presented to the court from the father's team, stating that HE was easy prey to his "provocative" child and that she was the sexual aggressor. The judge agreed.
This isn't an uncommon story in Ct, where child victims are silenced and crimes are considered just if the judge is properly paid.
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK
I second that emotion!
https://patch.com/connecticut/newhaven/vote-legislature-controversial-judge-jane-emons
Ct's go to judge if you wanted to buy a child for your personal pleasure.
There's a reason she refused to allow Yale to testify and blow her whole ugly evil into the public eye. Ct is rife with child sex abuse...the money keeps it hushed.
https://apnews.com/article/06daed60f23e4d5abeb8304c0e90021c
It's kind of sad to see the whole world basically following suit.
https://frankreport.com/2022/04/07/family-court-judge-jane-emons-forced-retirement-brings-hope-that-corrupt-ct-judges-will-be-removed/
Typical CT judge and cops. People harmed by Jane Emons actually put up a bill board on the main highway, regarding her ill behavior. With absolute power comes absolute corruption. She is a prime example of legislators doing as they please with life time judicial appointments.
Yale begged to testify on my daughter's behalf. Emmons ordered, on her own initiative, that Yale would never testify, and that if anyone, parents, lawyer, GAL, even spoke with Yale or allowed my daughter further treatment ever again, we'd be held in contempt. Emmons was well known for making orders that no one asked for. Orders that were always cruel and heartless. She even ordered that I was not allowed to leave the state of Ct without her express permission. Just tip of the authoritarian iceberg.
THIS is what the world has become. Emmons is a ripple in the pond, or rather the cesspool that our society has become.
I... I empathize with you, but I *cannot* "like" this comment. Called any other name and yes, but no.
Rope. Trees. Torches. Pitchforks.
Oh, there are a few hundred families, at least, who would be happy to be part of the pitchfork mob. It's a shame no one thought to organize sooner and publicize things. The last thing people like that want, is all the state's dirty little secrets to be exposed....quite embarrassing!
I have heard they tried a class action law suit a year or so ago, but then I heard no more. The judge is, after all married to the states district attorney. They are untouchably rich and powerful.
The laws of Man may leave some alone, but the laws of Physics affect everyone.
It's worse in Canada, where there is no right to self defence. You cannot defend yourself, your spouse, or your home. If you do, then you better call a lawyer, and shut up! You, the victim, are required to prove 'equal or lesser force,' and even then the process is the punishment. Enjoy having a felony charge on your record, even if proven innocent/not guilty, forever.
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I'm a full supporter of 2A. Remember, it is your RIGHT. 2A is a negative right, given by our divine sentience (or god, you pick). Never forget that, and never surrender an inch to some fool's conditional phrasing.
Case in point (though Denmark, not Canada)
https://thesource.com/2016/01/28/denmark-rape-victim-charged-for-using-pepper-spray-to-fight-her-rapist/
A 17-year-old girl in Sonderberg, Denmark is facing legal consequences after fighting off her rapist with pepper spray.
The young girl was attacked by a man on the night of January 20 in a city center where, after forcing her to the ground and unbuttoning her pants, she sprayed the man with pepper spray and she was able to escape.
While her attacker fled, the young girl stayed around and immediately reported the incident, recounting the details of the whole scene to authorities.
In Denmark, it is illegal to possess and use pepper spray, and since she admitted to using it on her rapist, she was fined $73 and faces a possible charge.
Denmark has the same basic law-structure on this as we do.
Basically, all self-defence sprays fall under the general weapon law since they can and has been used as offensive weapons (in the early 1980s, illegally imported tear-gas from West Germany was popular among criminals).
You have to apply for permission from police, which are under orders to be "very restrictive", bureaucratish for "forget it, bub".
Also, at least in Sweden, police may rule any object on your person as an illegal weapon should they find it warranted. Initially, this writing came about to avoid having to list every possible permutation of "knife" or "hand-held weapon" but now it is used as a purely oppressive measure, just to ensure the odds are stacked against you in court and as a way to harass people giving officers lip.
Total horseshit. Putting law-abiding people at the mercy of criminals and then prosecuting them when they fight back.
Sounds familiar............
https://nypost.com/2022/07/07/murder-charge-against-bodega-owner-is-braggs-latest-controversy/
(This was ultimately dismissed, but the victim still paid quite a price)
Our politicians fear an armed citizenry far more than yours do.
Swedish history is rife with uprisings, both large ones and local, up until the last one (or as I hope, latest one...) in 1811: farmer's revolting against conscription and an officer corps consisting of nobles who treated the soldiery and their families like animals.
In historical times, pre-1800s, it was not too uncommon for state functionaires of the venal and vile kind to have... accidents.
In fact, tomorrow we celebrate the 500-year anniversary of Gustav Eriksson, King Vasa I, and his uprising against the Danes and their much-reviled and hated King of the time, Christian II, the Tyrant.
Funnily enough, according to the Kalmar Union treaty, Gustav Eriksson would in modern parlance be called a domestic terrorist and insurgent. Just goes to show, if you win? You were in the right all along.
EXACTLY!
I make the same point here (with a handy list of "domestic terrorists"):
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/were-all-libertarians-now
"The right to keep and bear arms" is a **HUMAN** right. Not one held by Americans alone.
Yours may be abrogated by corrupt demiaristocracy, but it exists nonetheless.
I pray for the spirit of Carl Gustav to deliver you from harm.
(OK, apparently I'm on quite a roll tonight, and perhaps I should go to bed. Not that I don't **mean** it all, just that maybe I shouldn't say it all out loud. :-/ )
I love your comments!
That ought to mean, logically, that it is more rational to kill an intruder and dump the corpse and keep schtum, than it is to try and subdue and call police.
Under our laws, if you use force (including lethal force) you are committing a crime but if the court find the level and amount of force justified, it gets declared as falling under the emergency self-defence requirement.
Many people have realized the same thing here in America.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/04/26/burglar-lawsuit/83539854/
Shooting someone who is running away, even if justified, is foolish. Because we live in Clown World.
Flat out, logically, it is more rational to kill an intruder and dump the corpse and keep silent, than it is to try to subdue your potential murderer, and then call the police.
Full stop.
Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six, but best of all to not be judged at all.
Old swedish saying:
"Skjut, gräv, tig"
Roughly, it means:
"Shoot, dig, keep silent"
We have the same saying with more alliteration in English: "Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up".
I'm a little late to the party, but I honestly think this is one of your best pieces. I had no idea about any of this. I really want to ask someone, "So what exactly is the job of the police then?" I mean, if it's not to serve and protect, why are we spending money on them? They seem worse than useless.
I think, however, we can draw a more general conclusion from this. There are many "institutions" that we think are necessary evils: police, specifically, and government more generally. But in the end we just discover they are, well, just evils in their current state because they end up being in the way (as in Uvalde) or just downright malignant, like the fat cop that shot the two dogs running a lonely stretch of Idaho interstate because they wouldn't come (funny how scared dogs are like that) and his excuse was they were going to cause an accident. (My take was that the cop was a fat f--k who was angry at the canines because they made him go at a faster pace than a waddle.) A handful of volunteer motorists would have done better with the dogs.
So, no, we don't want to put our faith in the police or the government. We are better off putting our faith in ourselves and those right around us that we trust.
To answer your question, the task of the police is the same as always: to maintain law and order.
Meaning they are always the enforcers of the current socio-political-economical order of a society.
It has always been thus, everywhere, and cannot be any other way.
To make us feel better, we have the fairytale of the dilligent and dutiful policeman serving ideals of fairness and justice; in reality police are selected mainly for obedience, fitting in, and loyalty.
If society's ideals put into practice are ones of fairness and justice, then the police will largely adhere to those; the ideals of the ruling caste can be gleaned from studying their enforcers' behaviour, accountability and priorities.
"There are two kinds of people who laugh at the idea of Law: those who break them, and those who make them"
"If society's ideals put into practice are ones of fairness and justice, then the police will largely adhere to those; the ideals of the ruling caste can be gleaned from studying their enforcers' behaviour, accountability and priorities."
That is an incredibly astute statement.
Yes.
It reminds me of a parallel to the nature of the political leaders of a culture.
A college buddy (yes, decades ago!) told me once that there is no essential difference between Capitalism and Socialism (even he would say Statism today) because in either "the cream rises to the top."
Of course, he was completely ignoring the unassailable truth that the political system would completely define "the cream," and that would make all and every difference!
I would tell your friend that he is right only in so far as all systems order themselves in a hierarchy, but that doesn't always mean "the cream" rises to the top. In either system, if it becomes sick (socialism becomes one-party totalitarian rule while capitalism becomes quasi-fascism) those at the top are less cream and more some rotted form of decayed and depraved scum.
(I don't think I responded at all, being still too young and naive, but at least the idea stuck in my memory!)
I agree with your observation, but it still avoids the necessary differentiation in political systems vis-a-vis a defense of individual freedom.
Yes, Capitalism *does* essentially depend on an *aware* population to succeed in delivering *real* freedom, but Socialism, in any form benign or end-state, sublimates *any* merely popular opinion.
That is why the U.S. Constitution, in putting the individual (for the first time in human history) above the group (especially society, the emphasis of Socialism) in precedence/importance, is the only hope to avoid bloody revolution.
(I only take issue for clarity's sake, M. Lillia. I think you agree, judging by your excellent posts!)
Thank you - in the interest of intellectual honesty, it wasn't me who thought or wrote it first, but I can't remember who it was.
Possibly some french, german or russian anarchist of the 19th century?
But take credit for remembering the important part!
This.
It's important to remember that the most important part of "Geheimnestaatspolizei" was "Polizei".
They were "just doing their jobs". And so are our cops.
No, I am not saying that all cops are equivalent of the Nazis, because that would be as retardedly hyperbolic as the lefties. But it's important to remember that their job is to enforce order and not justice, and most of them will follow their paycheck as far as they need to.
But to wilfully ignore someone's frantic and repeated 911 calls, does not sound like enforcing order. Are we supposed to give them extra hazard pay if they're facing an armed assailant, or will they simply choose not to engage, if they assess the situation to be above and beyond what's expected of them? And they want to take our guns away? Something doesn't add up and why should we put up with this? I'm getting madder by the minute, the more I think about it.
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My personal take on Uvalde is if I was one of those cops I would've gone home and eaten a bullet. I couldn't live with that on my conscience.
But we do need police, and even more desperately we need them to be accountable, for what they do and what they don't do. How we do that I have no real idea, because politics is a stupid business run by stupid people.
Oh, there you are. I hadn't seen anyone ask the obvious questions, but you've asked all the right ones. Why ARE we paying them, if not for protection? I don't want to sound like I'm calling for defunding the police, just to have them do the job we've counted on them to do, in the past. It sounds absurd to me that if you call 911, you shouldn't take it for granted that several professionally trained men, armed with lethal weapons will be there shortly to handle the situation, bc you are unable to on your own, with no such weapons or training. Something has gone terribly wrong with our government.
Now you understand why self-defense is important. :/
Yes, and now that I know ahead of time, that there's really no guarantee that anyone will respond like the cavalry, to bring guns and expertise to thwart whoever might be creeping around my house looking to do me harm...I definitely need a gun. Hawaii probably has the strictest gun laws in the country, so I might have to get creative. I have "friends", if you get my drift. 😉
I'm over 70 and have opposed war most of my life; yet this expose of the real role and limitations of police in domestic society, I find absolutely shocking. Thanks for the final red pill!
Here's another one, and many of the police in this video were wearing uniforms we had never seen before - we didn't recognise the patches or gear. It's in the state of Victoria in Australia which is a 'UN Smart City" (the whole state). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZiTK1q5uJc
Another substacker wrote about the legality of using overseas troops in Australia during the covid state of emergency: https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/rubber-bullets
Have a look at the UN mercenary thugs beating on protesters and truckers in Ottawa in Feb., 2022. Apparently the fearless cavalry riding over the woman in the wheelchair were from Toronto.
Unconfirmed reports were that the mercenaries were not conversing in French or English.
I've heard this as well. Also in France - apparently their French was not very good and locals were wondering who these soldiers were.
What is the conjecture on this? Who do we think they were?
UN contractors. The Venn diagram for the New World Order, The UN, and the WEF is largely three overlapped circles.
JT and Chrystia Freeland are WEF YGL's, Freeland on the executive. I'm sure Klaus would do a favour for his good buddy, Justin, and send in the clowns.
Who better to terrorize the citizenry than troops who have no ties to the people and possibly can't even understand them...........
Just goes to show, no red pill is the "final" one! Always more where they came from. But here's one candidate:
"First, they came after the communists and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
"Then, they came after the satanists and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a satanist.
"Suddenly, things were much better so they stopped coming after people."
Dude, very well written article and I thank you for writing it. I’ve read all of the comments as well and I feel smarter, wiser, and, admittedly, more frustrated for having done so. There were a number of times when I needed to take a short break before continuing.
There’s really nothing I can add to the conversation without feeling like I’m being gratuitous other than to thank everyone who lent their voices and stories to this discussion.
"I’ve read all of the comments as well and I feel smarter, wiser, and, admittedly, more frustrated for having done so."
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I think you'll find that's a common feeling around here :)
Welcome to the community! :)
Thank You!
We’ve crossed paths in comments a few times so I’m glad to be here!
Police have no duty to protect you.
And they will prosecute you for doing the job they won't.
We have been living under anarcho-tyranny for a long-assed time. Decades. You think it's bad how the system won't prosecute Neely, but will prosecute Penny for doing the cops' jobs? That's been the case for **DECADES**.
Infuriating.
"anarcho-tyranny"
Love that term! So jarringly absurd, yet so perfectly understandable by those caught in the crossfire.
While they actively work to disarm us, we MUST remember that they are under no obligation to protect us.
Exactly. And more people need to understand that.
I think a nice Etsy Gatling gun boutique would do well!
I'd buy the one with a daisy sticking out each barrel.
You know, the carrot and the stick, or peace through strength, or you are welcome "conditionally."
This line of commentary is making me realize there is a Strong argument for being self sufficient.
Excellent. To quote Legalman, (@UScrimeReview) on the Delingpole podcast, it should be obvious by now that the fuzz are in collusion with the mobsters and hoods running government. You pay the protection money in the form of mandatory taxes, but that is no guarantee you'll be protected. This is worthwhile insight that could save you a lot of anguish.