Actually, I’m a bit of a prig on anything that alters the mind. No, that’s not totally true. It’s just that if I started, I’d be the one curled up in a ball in a corner. So, there you have that. HOWEVER, MY GOD, people…….please, if you’re going to smoke MJ, could you just at least do so in an open area and not walk into an enclosed area after!?!
I mean, you stink. I’m sure you don’t think so because you’re all happy and don’t care
This is not vote buying as noted below 6500 petty/career criminals are affected. (as others noted, the vast majority is for folks who pleaded down more serious charges.) Sorry but if you could get votes with legalization the Libertarian party would be relevant as it is the only thing they actually seem to care about. What you get from legalization is Wall Street money who want to fund an entire new, unregulated, industry delivering SOMA to the masses and seriously fucking up our kids by selling crap that is multiple times more amped than the stuff kids were smoking 40 years ago. As if closing the schools for over a year did not do enough damage. The dots I am connecting from yesterday's announcement is that Biden was off to a fund raiser in NMYC with all of the financiers who will get rich destroying lives.
FTR - I am for legalization of MJ not for any benefit, as they are few and overstated, but due to the overwhelming demand which cannot be ignored. However, your argument is specious. Legalizing mj is not alleviating the "war on drugs" with annual deaths actually going up during the period of legalization. Albeit correlation is not causation, are we to legalize the distribution of hard drugs like fentanyl and meth? And do not underestimate the carnage of weed. Talk to any Doctor worth their degree and they will tell you no one under the age of 24 should be using MJ. Instead we are amping up the delivery systems to the most vulnerable with little or no oversite.
Albeit correlation is not causation, are we to legalize the distribution of hard drugs like fentanyl and meth?
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Allow me to spin this question the other way, if you would:
What purpose does treating these people like 'normal' criminals serve?
Edit: Also, it's important to note that fentanyl is legal in many uses. Hospitals use it all the time. 'Meth' is present in numerous drugs that people take all the time right now.
Meth most often refers to an illicit drug, but it is also available as an FDA-approved ADHD medication called Desoxyn.
So obviously these things DO have uses, and are likely used 'properly' the vast vast vast vast vast majority of time. People can OD on aspirin, but you can get that right over the counter!
Carrott and Stick - this all gets wrapped up in its sister problem- homelessness. Ultimately these are mental health issues. One of the things I truly learned, the hard way of course, is most addiction is associate with mental illness as is homelessness. Make treatment generous and available. But continued living on the start and robbing tofed a habit is not an option. And crack down on the supply side.
Hope he talked to Kamala- maybe the dozens she put in prison for just that will be the first one's out. Bigger story- they pleaded down and had other reasons (yes, plural!) to be in jail- so maybe not so good!
My husband just looked it up. According to ABC news, there are 6500 people with prior convictions will have their records expunged, but no one is currently in federal prison on possession charges, so no one is being released.
Wow. Maybe not even spitting at the hurricane. More like having a press conference in which you announce your intention to spit at the hurricane at some unspecified point in the future.
Like with do many things, they wait until the tide has already turned and then take credit as if they had turned the tide. People made that happen, not politicians.
I really don't ge the infatuation with Mary-you-wanna, I really don't. All it does is make you cough, your eyes water and sting and then you vomit yellow bile.
People want to magnify the risk of psychosis and lung cancer and wanting to lower the IQ of themselves and their eventual offsping might be a right or not, (I don't see it as a rights issue at all but that's me) but isn't the easist and most practical solution to treat it like a controlled recreational substance? Use the same system as for alcohol and tobacco, table of contents, some kind of grade so the buyer knows how strong the weed is, an so on?
A practical solution. The dope-fiends get their escape from reality, the governement gets more taxes and an ever more compliant and unquestioning population, and the police can focus on the illegal side of the trade which is what they would do anyway but now supported by business organisations wanting to keep the entry-level into the legal market as high as possible and competition down - and we all know the state's got nothing on the private sector when it comes to hunting down and stopping competition that's outside of bounds.
Oh well. Be glad your stooges in office aren't as stupid as ours. We've lived under zero tolerance for drug abuse since the mid-1960s, meaning they've consistently gone for street-lvel dealers and the druggies, but not the importers. No, drug abuse is to be fixed by social workers having a sit down and a chat with a horse addict or meth head. Yeah, like that ever worked. And since the drug problem had leveled out in the early 1990s, they slashed customs down to 15% of what thy were.
Now, we have a huge problem with coke pouring in. Coke, opium, heroin, crack, PCP, and so on - all the old stuff. Overworked police, still minimal customs (and our customs agents aren't allowed to carry weapons - meaning the smugglers can wave a gun, a replica even, at them and just drive away) and no real get-clean-or-die-trying-rehab, the latter being the only thing that actually works.
Sorry for the rant, but in my youth I lost several friends due to ODs and drug-induced stupidity causing fatal mishaps and accidents. Climbing the tower to one of the national grid power lines for example. Or being pushed out of a moving car going 110mph down the motorway because the guy OD mixing coke and heroin and drinking vodka and when he stopped breathing, the guys he was with panicked and just pushed him out the door.
Can't see what's nice about drugs really, but since we can't get rid of them, regulate them so they are safe to use and so the user can know that his blow isn't cut with dish washer powder. On the other hand, seeing how the various FDA-agencies of the world acted re: Covid and vaccines I'd give even odds they'd put sterilising agents in the smack instead...
"Can't see what's nice about drugs really, but since we can't get rid of them, regulate them so they are safe to use and so the user can know that his blow isn't cut with dish washer powder."
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This is exactly the point. And your last point is good as well. During prohibition, government poisoned people.
For over a decade, the United States barred the production and sale of drinking alcohol in what became known as the Prohibition era. A temperance movement had existed in the United States since at least the 1830s, culminating in the ratification of the 18th Amendment to the Constitution in January 1920.
The federal government devoted significant resources to curtailing the bootlegging of alcohol, which became a very lucrative illicit business for crime syndicates like the Mafia.
While increasing pressure from sellers and illegal importation of alcohol somewhat limited the supply of beverages, demand remained strong with speakeasies and smuggling networks arising as quickly as they were squashed.
Law enforcement and regulators also devised a new strategy for limiting the supply of alcohol at its source. Bootleg alcohol during the Prohibition era was overwhelmingly produced from distilled industrial alcohols. Officials reasoned that by mandating toxic additives into products which would be converted to bootleg alcohol, the supply could be effectively cut before consumption.
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I'm against the drug war for practical reasons AND philosophical ones -- you can't have a 'crime' without a victim.
I like gummies with equal amounts of THC/CBD when I happen to get sick. Gets me through the day. (recently had the flu- hadn't been sick in a LONG time, but this definitely helped!) People have different tolerances and reactions to THC.
Joe is certainly not a 10th amendment convert. It's desperation, a vain effort to pander to slackers for votes in November. Won't work, of course. They'll need epic levels of ballot fraud to overcome the rising antipathy. Congress has promised to legislate legalization, but have failed to do so. The dems prefer control of even arbitrary issues. They only become populist when they perceive a benefit.
Maybe when pubs take over, they'll appreciate that bans only induce black markets, and legalization is taxable. Lots of practical reasons to legalize that outweigh the moralizing.
Yep. I could easily make a 'conservative' case against the war on drugs. And the party that is supposed to be 'for the little guy' wants to keep the issue going, as you said.
In a 2005 book, The Sociopath Next Door, a psychologist, Martha Stout, says the most reliable sign that someone is a sociopath is "the pity play," because when the sociopath wins our sympathy, that means he can "continue with his game, whatever it happens to be." I'm not saying Biden's pathological, but we should be careful about who we offer sympathy to.
Everything he does proves that he views his position as that of a king, not President. This is arbitrary and capricious and a complete repudiation of the rule of law.
Yes, the Fed's suck, they are destroying people for their political standing, but just randomly pardoning g over 6,000 people is completely insane and appears to lack all planning, foresite or cogent thought.
FJB
If that corpse believed in justice release and pardon J6 protestors.
I'm all for reducing the revenue of the prison industrial complex, but lots of federal convictions are from plea agreements where the charged violent crime gets reduced to a drug conviction. So there will be unintended consequences. Better to have legislative reform.
No one should be in jail on Federal charges of MJ possession because there is no applicable Federal law. The Federal law involves paying a tax on marijuana. That was a problem only because there used to be state and local laws against possession of marijuana, and paying the tax was an admission of guilt. If he pardoned people jailed on Federal charges of marijuana possession, it's irrelevant.
Besides the upcoming elections, which is a completely confusing topic for me: if elections are meaningless, why do they care who votes?? Anyway, what if the inmates are being released so that they will die on their mother’s living rooms, on the streets, and on public places, rather than in prison, this cold/flu season? Did they have to take all jabs and boosters?
Most jails had an extensive vax campaign, and this is such a small number of people that I doubt we'd even notice them. There will still be millions of people in jail this winter who have gotten the shot.
Besides, knowing how quickly government runs, these people won't actually be out for a while -- if it ever even happens.
......”.....just a little too much like vote buying....”. I agree completely......then come January, they all will be hounded as possible insurrectionists if they don’t get vaxxed, boostered, and pronoun-updated.
I'm very very interested in what happens along the mandate front after the midterms. Winter is coming and the cases (and by necessity the hospitalizations and deaths since we're STILL counting 'with covid') are going to be rising. My feeling is that mandates for boosters are dead -- Inslee can't even pull it off in WA for state workers. But after the election, all bets might be off.
My fear is that Biden will go full throttle on WEF plans in concert with Trudeau and other western ‘leaders’ - even if the GOP becomes majority in both houses of Congress as they, too, seem compromised by WEF policies (at least none but Johnson seem to me to be actively opposed to any WEF program.)
Don't hold your breath waiting for the Biden regime to actually try to revoke any of these laws as they need to keep them on the books so they can use them against their political enemies.
Yeah, it's a good idea. Many people I know smoked it, and some still do, but no one was, or is concerned about being arrested. I couldn't stand it since it gave me a bad reaction, and yes someone other then Biden thought this up to up his poll numbers. I never liked Biden and always saw him as a total opportunist based on everything I have read about him. He will say and do anything to further his own career. Remember how he claimed his wife and little daughter were killed by a drunk driver? The driver wasn't drunk and his wife without looking moved into the man's line of traffic. After hitting Biden's wife car his van toppled over. He freed himself and went to assist them. To garner sympathy and votes Biden would repeatedly tell this lie, which is pretty low, but not as low as pushing every middle eastern war. His senility doesn't garner my sympathy either.
Oh, it's definitely vote buying, but it's vote buying that helps people. You're also right that retroactive law would have been more effective and should have been the goal, but politicians are great at what amounts to token actions (much like "forgiving" student loans rather than figuring out how to curb the costs of a college education or at least make it more in line with earning potential).
My only concern is that many cases get pled down, so at least some of the people "pardoned" did something more significant (and perhaps violent) than simply possessing MJ and they'll be back out on the streets to pull the same crap again.
However, that being said, we already have that problem, so I'll be happy for those that got caught up on ridiculous charges and now get to go home and try to get their lives back.
Actually, I’m a bit of a prig on anything that alters the mind. No, that’s not totally true. It’s just that if I started, I’d be the one curled up in a ball in a corner. So, there you have that. HOWEVER, MY GOD, people…….please, if you’re going to smoke MJ, could you just at least do so in an open area and not walk into an enclosed area after!?!
I mean, you stink. I’m sure you don’t think so because you’re all happy and don’t care
Visiting a smallish resort town in Colorado I thought someone ran over a skunk the first couple nights around 8pm. The whole place reeked.
Oh, I’m so glad that it’s not just me. THANKS!
This is not vote buying as noted below 6500 petty/career criminals are affected. (as others noted, the vast majority is for folks who pleaded down more serious charges.) Sorry but if you could get votes with legalization the Libertarian party would be relevant as it is the only thing they actually seem to care about. What you get from legalization is Wall Street money who want to fund an entire new, unregulated, industry delivering SOMA to the masses and seriously fucking up our kids by selling crap that is multiple times more amped than the stuff kids were smoking 40 years ago. As if closing the schools for over a year did not do enough damage. The dots I am connecting from yesterday's announcement is that Biden was off to a fund raiser in NMYC with all of the financiers who will get rich destroying lives.
I think we'd find that the drug war is far more destructive than any weed anybody's smoking.
Certainly created a lot of rice bowls that became corrupted by the easy money to turn a blind eye.
FTR - I am for legalization of MJ not for any benefit, as they are few and overstated, but due to the overwhelming demand which cannot be ignored. However, your argument is specious. Legalizing mj is not alleviating the "war on drugs" with annual deaths actually going up during the period of legalization. Albeit correlation is not causation, are we to legalize the distribution of hard drugs like fentanyl and meth? And do not underestimate the carnage of weed. Talk to any Doctor worth their degree and they will tell you no one under the age of 24 should be using MJ. Instead we are amping up the delivery systems to the most vulnerable with little or no oversite.
Albeit correlation is not causation, are we to legalize the distribution of hard drugs like fentanyl and meth?
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Allow me to spin this question the other way, if you would:
What purpose does treating these people like 'normal' criminals serve?
Edit: Also, it's important to note that fentanyl is legal in many uses. Hospitals use it all the time. 'Meth' is present in numerous drugs that people take all the time right now.
Meth most often refers to an illicit drug, but it is also available as an FDA-approved ADHD medication called Desoxyn.
So obviously these things DO have uses, and are likely used 'properly' the vast vast vast vast vast majority of time. People can OD on aspirin, but you can get that right over the counter!
Carrott and Stick - this all gets wrapped up in its sister problem- homelessness. Ultimately these are mental health issues. One of the things I truly learned, the hard way of course, is most addiction is associate with mental illness as is homelessness. Make treatment generous and available. But continued living on the start and robbing tofed a habit is not an option. And crack down on the supply side.
Though I will admit nothing is dumber than the legalization campaigns where they decriminalize the demand side but not the supply side.
Yes. All those things are crimes and should be prosecuted. But if somebody's getting high and eating Cheetos at home, we shouldn't care.
as long as you and I are not writing the check
Hope he talked to Kamala- maybe the dozens she put in prison for just that will be the first one's out. Bigger story- they pleaded down and had other reasons (yes, plural!) to be in jail- so maybe not so good!
This is good, but how many people are in federal prisons on possession charges? I wonder how this translates into people actually being released.
My husband just looked it up. According to ABC news, there are 6500 people with prior convictions will have their records expunged, but no one is currently in federal prison on possession charges, so no one is being released.
Wow. Maybe not even spitting at the hurricane. More like having a press conference in which you announce your intention to spit at the hurricane at some unspecified point in the future.
Like with do many things, they wait until the tide has already turned and then take credit as if they had turned the tide. People made that happen, not politicians.
YES! The way I say it is that the political are holding the people back, then turn around and pretend they're leading the parade.
We saw this especially with gay marriage.
Vote buying was my very first thought.
I really don't ge the infatuation with Mary-you-wanna, I really don't. All it does is make you cough, your eyes water and sting and then you vomit yellow bile.
People want to magnify the risk of psychosis and lung cancer and wanting to lower the IQ of themselves and their eventual offsping might be a right or not, (I don't see it as a rights issue at all but that's me) but isn't the easist and most practical solution to treat it like a controlled recreational substance? Use the same system as for alcohol and tobacco, table of contents, some kind of grade so the buyer knows how strong the weed is, an so on?
A practical solution. The dope-fiends get their escape from reality, the governement gets more taxes and an ever more compliant and unquestioning population, and the police can focus on the illegal side of the trade which is what they would do anyway but now supported by business organisations wanting to keep the entry-level into the legal market as high as possible and competition down - and we all know the state's got nothing on the private sector when it comes to hunting down and stopping competition that's outside of bounds.
Oh well. Be glad your stooges in office aren't as stupid as ours. We've lived under zero tolerance for drug abuse since the mid-1960s, meaning they've consistently gone for street-lvel dealers and the druggies, but not the importers. No, drug abuse is to be fixed by social workers having a sit down and a chat with a horse addict or meth head. Yeah, like that ever worked. And since the drug problem had leveled out in the early 1990s, they slashed customs down to 15% of what thy were.
Now, we have a huge problem with coke pouring in. Coke, opium, heroin, crack, PCP, and so on - all the old stuff. Overworked police, still minimal customs (and our customs agents aren't allowed to carry weapons - meaning the smugglers can wave a gun, a replica even, at them and just drive away) and no real get-clean-or-die-trying-rehab, the latter being the only thing that actually works.
Sorry for the rant, but in my youth I lost several friends due to ODs and drug-induced stupidity causing fatal mishaps and accidents. Climbing the tower to one of the national grid power lines for example. Or being pushed out of a moving car going 110mph down the motorway because the guy OD mixing coke and heroin and drinking vodka and when he stopped breathing, the guys he was with panicked and just pushed him out the door.
Can't see what's nice about drugs really, but since we can't get rid of them, regulate them so they are safe to use and so the user can know that his blow isn't cut with dish washer powder. On the other hand, seeing how the various FDA-agencies of the world acted re: Covid and vaccines I'd give even odds they'd put sterilising agents in the smack instead...
"Can't see what's nice about drugs really, but since we can't get rid of them, regulate them so they are safe to use and so the user can know that his blow isn't cut with dish washer powder."
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This is exactly the point. And your last point is good as well. During prohibition, government poisoned people.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-u-s-government-poisoned-some-alcohol-during-prohibition/3283701001/
For over a decade, the United States barred the production and sale of drinking alcohol in what became known as the Prohibition era. A temperance movement had existed in the United States since at least the 1830s, culminating in the ratification of the 18th Amendment to the Constitution in January 1920.
The federal government devoted significant resources to curtailing the bootlegging of alcohol, which became a very lucrative illicit business for crime syndicates like the Mafia.
While increasing pressure from sellers and illegal importation of alcohol somewhat limited the supply of beverages, demand remained strong with speakeasies and smuggling networks arising as quickly as they were squashed.
Law enforcement and regulators also devised a new strategy for limiting the supply of alcohol at its source. Bootleg alcohol during the Prohibition era was overwhelmingly produced from distilled industrial alcohols. Officials reasoned that by mandating toxic additives into products which would be converted to bootleg alcohol, the supply could be effectively cut before consumption.
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I'm against the drug war for practical reasons AND philosophical ones -- you can't have a 'crime' without a victim.
I like gummies with equal amounts of THC/CBD when I happen to get sick. Gets me through the day. (recently had the flu- hadn't been sick in a LONG time, but this definitely helped!) People have different tolerances and reactions to THC.
Spot. F***ing. On.
Joe is certainly not a 10th amendment convert. It's desperation, a vain effort to pander to slackers for votes in November. Won't work, of course. They'll need epic levels of ballot fraud to overcome the rising antipathy. Congress has promised to legislate legalization, but have failed to do so. The dems prefer control of even arbitrary issues. They only become populist when they perceive a benefit.
Maybe when pubs take over, they'll appreciate that bans only induce black markets, and legalization is taxable. Lots of practical reasons to legalize that outweigh the moralizing.
Yep. I could easily make a 'conservative' case against the war on drugs. And the party that is supposed to be 'for the little guy' wants to keep the issue going, as you said.
In a 2005 book, The Sociopath Next Door, a psychologist, Martha Stout, says the most reliable sign that someone is a sociopath is "the pity play," because when the sociopath wins our sympathy, that means he can "continue with his game, whatever it happens to be." I'm not saying Biden's pathological, but we should be careful about who we offer sympathy to.
I've never felt sorry for him for anything. I'm not gonna start now.
He still sucks, even more so after today.
Everything he does proves that he views his position as that of a king, not President. This is arbitrary and capricious and a complete repudiation of the rule of law.
Yes, the Fed's suck, they are destroying people for their political standing, but just randomly pardoning g over 6,000 people is completely insane and appears to lack all planning, foresite or cogent thought.
FJB
If that corpse believed in justice release and pardon J6 protestors.
FJB!
I'm all for reducing the revenue of the prison industrial complex, but lots of federal convictions are from plea agreements where the charged violent crime gets reduced to a drug conviction. So there will be unintended consequences. Better to have legislative reform.
We should work on that too.
No one should be in jail on Federal charges of MJ possession because there is no applicable Federal law. The Federal law involves paying a tax on marijuana. That was a problem only because there used to be state and local laws against possession of marijuana, and paying the tax was an admission of guilt. If he pardoned people jailed on Federal charges of marijuana possession, it's irrelevant.
By the way, He really does still suck.
Besides the upcoming elections, which is a completely confusing topic for me: if elections are meaningless, why do they care who votes?? Anyway, what if the inmates are being released so that they will die on their mother’s living rooms, on the streets, and on public places, rather than in prison, this cold/flu season? Did they have to take all jabs and boosters?
Most jails had an extensive vax campaign, and this is such a small number of people that I doubt we'd even notice them. There will still be millions of people in jail this winter who have gotten the shot.
Besides, knowing how quickly government runs, these people won't actually be out for a while -- if it ever even happens.
......”.....just a little too much like vote buying....”. I agree completely......then come January, they all will be hounded as possible insurrectionists if they don’t get vaxxed, boostered, and pronoun-updated.
I'm very very interested in what happens along the mandate front after the midterms. Winter is coming and the cases (and by necessity the hospitalizations and deaths since we're STILL counting 'with covid') are going to be rising. My feeling is that mandates for boosters are dead -- Inslee can't even pull it off in WA for state workers. But after the election, all bets might be off.
My fear is that Biden will go full throttle on WEF plans in concert with Trudeau and other western ‘leaders’ - even if the GOP becomes majority in both houses of Congress as they, too, seem compromised by WEF policies (at least none but Johnson seem to me to be actively opposed to any WEF program.)
Exactly. And the way that the UN chick and the lady from New Zealand are talking, they aren't afraid of consequences for speaking.
Don't hold your breath waiting for the Biden regime to actually try to revoke any of these laws as they need to keep them on the books so they can use them against their political enemies.
One writer or comedian (or both) said they're pardoning MJ prisoners to make room for Trump prisoners.😛
That would be no surprise at all.
Yeah, it's a good idea. Many people I know smoked it, and some still do, but no one was, or is concerned about being arrested. I couldn't stand it since it gave me a bad reaction, and yes someone other then Biden thought this up to up his poll numbers. I never liked Biden and always saw him as a total opportunist based on everything I have read about him. He will say and do anything to further his own career. Remember how he claimed his wife and little daughter were killed by a drunk driver? The driver wasn't drunk and his wife without looking moved into the man's line of traffic. After hitting Biden's wife car his van toppled over. He freed himself and went to assist them. To garner sympathy and votes Biden would repeatedly tell this lie, which is pretty low, but not as low as pushing every middle eastern war. His senility doesn't garner my sympathy either.
Oh, it's definitely vote buying, but it's vote buying that helps people. You're also right that retroactive law would have been more effective and should have been the goal, but politicians are great at what amounts to token actions (much like "forgiving" student loans rather than figuring out how to curb the costs of a college education or at least make it more in line with earning potential).
My only concern is that many cases get pled down, so at least some of the people "pardoned" did something more significant (and perhaps violent) than simply possessing MJ and they'll be back out on the streets to pull the same crap again.
However, that being said, we already have that problem, so I'll be happy for those that got caught up on ridiculous charges and now get to go home and try to get their lives back.