I know Dan Bongino rubs many the wrong way, but if anyone was lucky enough to catch his radio show this morning (still going, and podcasted, I think), his rant (always a rant with him, eh?) is so spot on about the huge national security issue Epstein et al represents, maybe the biggest of all time, and I really don't think that is hyperbole.
Btw, I was dead wrong. I thought we would *never* see even this, a mere visitor log.
The biggest 'get' I've seen thrown around was that "Clinton liked them young.", but that's from the deposition of one of the girls who didn't really dive in with both feet (Document #12, JOHANNA SJOBERG https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2024-01/1320-12.pdf) and never saw Clinton.
They do ask her about a lot of specific celebrities, but she only met a couple and didn't do anything 'wrong' with them.
Wow, I saw some of the thread, people like that are really something. I hope that was a teenager, it would make it a little understandable. If not, then really wow!!
These cases (or case?) have been concluded for years. Many of the big names are already dead. So far I think Thomas Pritzker is the 'biggest' name - and his involvement dovetails perfectly with the extremely suspicious hidden tunnels in hotels across the country.
There was a very similar case in 1991 in Belgium, for anyone that doesn’t know look up the white march, also do some digging into the solvay family, and solvay chemical company drug patents. It’s the same kind of case with the same kind of people in fact some of the same people. Thousands of people marched dressed in white against child abuse in Belgium in 1991. This one gets undeniably dark, so don’t investigate you are sensitive, you will regret it. I did!! Also if you want to dig a bit deeper look for the tie between the march and a satanic group called Abraxis, again at your own risk!
I was really young at that time, but I had cable!! I do not remember that case making any kind of headlines in the United States. Something like that, with all the usual suspects should have been big here as well. I could be wrong, I was young and I may have missed the news. If not that case is a bother huge reminder of how corrupt our media was even then. The castle is called Chateau des Amerois, it as well should be covered a lot more in the United States considering its owners are the producers of all the fluoride that goes into our water supply, also they produce a lot of our ever so helpful psych medications, the family owns a lot of businesses and properties in the US. The salvoy conferences , changed science as we know it, they helped push it down the path that it’s on now. There is way too much to ignore. I hope a real reporter covers the 2 cases together, so more people are aware.
Ya, that one was dark, it turns out the Clinton’s where some how tied to that one as well. It really interesting what the owners of that castle do for a living, undeniably interesting!
I chose a file at random #33. It looks to be mostly doctors and health care facilities that Jizzlane failed to reveal during discovery. Here are some of those names.
"After being ordered to provide this information, Plaintiff continued her strategy of providing made up or false information, or simply refusing to provide the ordered information."
Just one line of MANY that show contempt of court IMO. Also from file 33.
As the files get released, don’t forget who the lists he was making were for. Our current CIA Director William Burns met with Epstein 3 times in 2014. Every name that gets released, think to yourself “now what could the intelligence agencies do if they controlled ‘X’ person via sexual blackmail?”
Like say, in the 1990’s controlling both the richest man in the world and the goddamn President at the same time.
Conctinuing that logic, then the release of the list would mean that the agency utilising it now has re-structured the OP to benefit from the release.
If they are in any way intelligent at all, I mean. They could of course also be so blinkered that they thought the court would never move to release it.
I’ll admit, the paranoid part of me can’t help but going down that line of thinking, but the optimist in me says that no, the veil of secrecy is imploding because, to be blunt, people are sick of this shit.
I’ve never been on the left and didn’t exactly come from a rich family but I’ve been around elite circles here and there, at least in my social circle, everyone is sick of this shit, the secrets, the psyops, especially post-2014, especially more post-2016, and especially even more post-2020.
Martin Gurri’s book Revolt of the Public is excellent on this, and I feel required reading, with even slightly open information channels, you can only lie for so long.
To quote a very underappreciated sci-fi movie: “You can’t stop the signal.”
I'm quite cynical, for reasons of personality and experience both, but while I hope you are right - people being fed up - I would opine that any sign of that in reality is a changing of the guard; the younger breed inside the agencies making their move.
The old guard can either shuffle out of the way discreetly while the most incriminating stuff is covered up, or fight and get busted.
That is the tried and true method after all, in all intelligence communities where the home nation and the people are seen as the real enemy of the power in power, so to speak.
Not a conspiracy as such, just the way the organism works.
But I do hope I'm wrong and this is real change for the better.
This time there’s a wild card though. I’m not a researcher by any stretch but I know the open-source AI community well. The Powers That Be lost control of AI when Google open-sourced the Transformer architecture in 2017. The tech giants’ revenge.
AI advancement is simply too valuable to too many people with too much power to slow down. The government may try to control AI but the global financial interests in protecting open-source AI (which is free, therefore they can make piles of money off it) and threats from China beating the West in AI is too great to restrict that.
Also, I’ll endorse Elon’s prediction of AGI in 3 years, Geoffrey Hinton, the godfather of AI says 4, the NVidia CEO says 3, who knows. But this is coming much much sooner than most people expect. In the leadup to this, things are going to go insane, but everything will be exposed.
Lemme tell ya, 2024 is gonna be the wildest year in American history, not the worst, but most insane, and I have no idea what the result may be, but I guarantee the combination of these exposures, this election, and AI advancement will make for something truly crazy.
Perhaps we are farther along than even I think, and 2024 will be the "things have to get worse" and 2025 will be the start of the road back to the salvation of Western Civilization.
Well, this is far from a complete list and a lot of this particular batch was reported on at the time. But I think in general you are right, the dribbles will mostly coincide with the continued usefulness of the asset.
I agree, but many power brokers of 2005 no longer have any power and can be thrown under the bus to help save the rest of them. Prince Andrew was already ruined, for example - no (more) harm by letting him get eaten by the wolves.
Congressman Tim Burchett in a recent interview mentioned that sexual blackmail was being used way more than people liked to believe in Washington (see my note on that).
Now, this has been in the congressional record from the Church Commission hearings on MKULTRA, we do it, the CCP does it, it’s even got a name: “Honeypot”.
See though, the problem became that what the public was willing to accept in their politicians became more and more difficult to blackmail people with as social morays changed. Can’t really blackmail someone for being gay, hell, you can blackmail men for banging prostitutes except by threatening to blow up their marriage, but Clinton, and then Trump, made the old school “sex scandal” not be a deathknell for a political career.
So what does one do? Well, if an intel agency only cares about control and has no moral compass, there’s an MKULTRA era technique of setting someone up with a prostitute then afterwards tell them “by the way, she was 17”, then they’re under full control.
Epstein though was the perfect asset. Collect the most unsavory of powerful people and get perfect blackmail material on them, where they can’t give any possible excuse. Norms won’t change for what Epstein was offering.
The CCP does this too, obviously. Now, the question is, how many people are compromised beyond just the Epstein list? How many people in power are being sexually blackmailed by either the US Intel agencies or the CCP by these methods are tracking, let’s say, unsavory internet history?
Yes obviously Jeffrey Epstein was not a CCP asset, my point is the CCP does the same thing. Epstein was CIA. The prosecutor in the case in Florida, Alex Acosta literally said he was told Epstein “belonged to Intelligence”.
He was just one aspect of the mass surveillance/control superstructure that started during the Inslaw Affair.
Exactly correct -- meaning that 'the swamp' will literally sex traffic minors in order to increase its power. (Obviously, cheating in an election is a bridge too far, though.)
As for your last question.......probably all of them. At least that would explain why they're acting so stupidly.
It’s definitely a lot. Just on the CCP point, for whatever reason I wargame with myself in my own head to think: “I’m Xi Jinping and I want to rule the world. To do that, I need those damn semiconductor fabrication plants in Taiwan to control 90% of the world’s electronics production and I’m a megalomaniac with no moral compass, what should I do?”
The answer is, of course, many things. But with all that Tiktok data, I’m damn sure, just statistically, he could find DoD employees who have been following, or even DMing, girls below the age of 18, to say the least.
All good Ol’ Xi would need to say is “Give us ‘X’ information or we give this to ‘Y’ Youtube perv hunter” or whatever.
That’s just the lowest cost version. If one can see all on the internet, lotta control in that.
With Epstein though? Well, the nefarious crimes he was able to collect for the West’s Security State effectively gave them even more control over very powerful people.
Allegedly, of course.
I’m sure Burns was meeting him for tea to discuss recent derivatives trading techniques and this obviously has nothing to do with why Burns is the current CIA Director.
The laptop is real. Everybody knows it. It proves that Joe Biden is bought and paid for. Now it’s time to ask the hard questions: What would a bought president be doing? Cutting our energy independence? Hurting Americans by cutting off trade via sanctions? Pushing us into a war we can’t possibly win that would likely lead to the rise of China as the world’s superpower? Devaluing the dollar and gutting the middle class?
Maybe the better question is: If Biden’s goal was to wreck the economy and enable the rise of China, would he be doing anything at all differently?
I’m not even sure where to begin with this beyond the convoluted antisemitism and also pointing out this is not how finance or just economics in general work. There are actual conspiracies in the world. They aren’t related to these bizarre delusions about Jews, especially seeing as Obama hates Israel to this day.
M. JesterColin, please keep commenting on this, my favorite stack, and ignore the idiots SimulationCommander's excellence and success sometimes attracts.
See my other response, what pushes my buttons is idiocy, and idiocy like this is how an actual investigation of misdeads can be ignored because people can point to responses like yours and go “See! Everyone angry at CIA misdeeds are actually people who think Satanist pedophiles combined with Israel rule the world!”
Um, what? I’m an atheist of Irish Catholic descent but am generally fine with Israel. Am I also part of this ‘Satanist ZOG’? See this is the problem. The real conspiracies are too crazy for normal but not crazy enough for conspiracy theorists.
Everything I say is based on human nature and how it activates in different environments, but you take this flying leap that bad things happen, therefore pedophile Satanist Zionists secretly rule the world. That’s not how humans work, and is just generally patently ridiculous. For your worldview to actually exist, there would have to be a selection pressure for all institutions of power to select for pedophiles and Satanists AND people who like Israel. That makes no goddamn sense.
Explain to me exactly how that could happen in the course of human history.
I find it infuriating that some are getting a “stay” on revelation of their names. One woman in particular claims she lives in a “very conservative” country where she could be in danger if her name was revealed.
Maybe don’t be an f’ing douchebag pedo or participate in other criminal acts & then there’s no problem.
The fact that all of them are f’ing pedos should be enough to completely unmask every one of them.
Absolutely essential to remain "in perspective" *and* skeptical even of what looks to be sunshined truth.
That said, every one of us can be forgiven for Screaming our righteous emotional response. (I know you know that, M. Sim. Your careful adherence to the avoidance of hyperbole is not only necessary, but part of your secret sauce, imo!)
Thanks for pointing that out, but, already too many will embarrass our side by jumping to false conclusions. Tim Pool cover this very aspect, mainly concerning Kimmel and Trump.
W/ all due respect, what are they then, if not clients, “friends” of a wealthy & very influential pedo w/ impeccable international sex ring connections?
As with Jane Doe #1 and Jane Doe #2, Jane Doe #3 was repeatedly sexually abused by
Epstein. The Government then concealed from Jane Doe #3 the existence of its NPA from Jane Doe #3, in violation of her rights under the CVRA. If allowed to join this action, Jane Doe #3 would prove the following: In 1999, Jane Doe #3 was approached by Ghislaine Maxwell, one of the main women whom Epstein used to procure under-aged girls for sexual activities and a primary co-conspirator in his sexual abuse and sex trafficking scheme.
In fact, it became known to the government that Maxwell herself regularly participated in Epstein’s sexual exploitation of minors, including Jane Doe #3. Maxwell persuaded Jane Doe #3 (who was then fifteen years old) to come to Epstein’s mansion in a fashion very similar to the manner in which Epstein and his other co-conspirators coerced dozens of other children (including Jane Doe #1 and Jane Doe #2).
When Jane Doe #3 began giving Epstein a “massage,” Epstein and Maxwell turned it into a sexual encounter, as they had done with many other victims. Epstein then became enamored with Jane Doe #3, and with the assistance of Maxwell converted her into what is commonly referred to as a “sex slave.”
Epstein kept Jane Doe #3 as his sex slave from about 1999 through 2002, when she managed to escape to a foreign country and hide out from Epstein and his co-conspirators for years. From 1999 through 2002, Epstein frequently sexually abused Jane Doe #3, not only in West Palm Beach, but also in New York, New Mexico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, in international airspace on his Epstein’s private planes, and elsewhere.
I’m talking about the men on the list, although certainly women (like Maxwell) can be sexual prreditors & I’ll bet there are some of those on the list too. Goes w/out saying that real victims should have their privacy protected & (understandably not be revealed.
I think a female like Maxwell was key to Epstein's success (ick, I hate to refer to it as such) in the trafficking. She is in the background of most all the pix of the victims.
And she's very clearly the one who's 'grooming' the girls. If Epstein would have done it, it would have been creepy -- but when another woman does it.......
Still, I don't really see how these people don't deserve some sort of charges as well. (Thinking specifically of somebody in the documentary who got her sister involved long after the inappropriate sex got started.)
From what I can tell, nearly the whole thing relied on the women bringing in more women. I'll have a lot to say about it, but it's super weird to me that these 'masseuses' not only go along with it in most cases, but actually get their friends involved, too.
Is there a consideration of "Stockholm Syndrome" as well, or even "misery loves company", or both?
In various eastern societies in the last millennium, or in Genghis Khan's time, these situations were common and expected among the rulers.
For another example, look at the arrangements around the Playboy Mansion and Mr. Heffner- very carefully not underaged but similar acceptance by the ladies involved.
In many societies 15 year old girls were entirely marriageable and not sanctioned or cause for concern, and this would include arranged marriages. Then look at Romeo and Juliet and until Zeffirrelli there was little complaint about the protagonists' ages.
Re recruitment, for any non-minors (& maybe even the minors), it may have sounded quite glamorous at 1st: exotic locales, luxurious surroundings, proximity to & sex w/ wealthy/powerful celebs or so-called titans of industry/business, princes, heads of state, etc. They may even have had deluded fantasies a là “Pretty Woman” where they snag a rich guy.
It’s not much different from prostitution other than age of consent. I wonder where the parents of the younger victims were - paid off & willing to prostitute their daughters? The girls were runaways/homeless? Drug addicts?
100% agree! Why should any of these worst-crime-imaginable-degenerates have any privacy/protection from being outed. They should all be in jail and let loose amongst the inmates (we all know what they do to child molesters)
They are part & parcel of the globalist cabal that have been orchestrating depop & everything else for a very long time. “Rules for thee but not for me” as to WuFlu, “climate change”, education, borders/walls, crime, gaming systems, ad nauseum.
In a sane world, these people would be exposed & punished, but those in power all over the world are “in on it”
I have read only a snippet here and there. Most of the names you mention I already knew from photos that had been published. The usual crappy people that are always hanging around making money from thin air
Thing is it's always been an all comers' schlongfest. There's no realm of the powerful and would-be powerful untouched by it. For every name any side wants to chortle over, there's gonna be another name that makes 'em cry.
Bring it on! I will not defend one “ schlong” that gets “ exposed” ( 😂). I will confess that my ex husband had a wandering schlong, so maybe that’s part of my baggage, but to me really, it’s more like you idiots are the elites supposedly smarter than most to do what’s best for the world and it all boils down to “ a penis has no brains” and gets caught up in the ultimate Honeyhole trap? We are so screwed. Not literally.
I know Dan Bongino rubs many the wrong way, but if anyone was lucky enough to catch his radio show this morning (still going, and podcasted, I think), his rant (always a rant with him, eh?) is so spot on about the huge national security issue Epstein et al represents, maybe the biggest of all time, and I really don't think that is hyperbole.
Btw, I was dead wrong. I thought we would *never* see even this, a mere visitor log.
I want to know who accepted girl company...
The biggest 'get' I've seen thrown around was that "Clinton liked them young.", but that's from the deposition of one of the girls who didn't really dive in with both feet (Document #12, JOHANNA SJOBERG https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2024-01/1320-12.pdf) and never saw Clinton.
They do ask her about a lot of specific celebrities, but she only met a couple and didn't do anything 'wrong' with them.
Man there me a lot of deleted content, are tempers flaring, or is it something else?
No just one guy who got himself a day ban after continuing to spam links that didn't prove what he was asserting.
Wow, I saw some of the thread, people like that are really something. I hope that was a teenager, it would make it a little understandable. If not, then really wow!!
Curious, what is to be gained from the Epstein list reveal ? Deflection ? From what ?
I get the "expose them all thingy" but doesn't doing this muddy the prosecution efforts ?
Just my random thoughts.
These cases (or case?) have been concluded for years. Many of the big names are already dead. So far I think Thomas Pritzker is the 'biggest' name - and his involvement dovetails perfectly with the extremely suspicious hidden tunnels in hotels across the country.
SC - "Why would these ‘news organizations’ not want you to read the source documents?"
We'll do your thinking for you too Mr. Mulder
USA are you ok, are you ok, are you ok USA...
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/offbeat/man-leaps-across-las-vegas-courtroom-attacking-judge-in-shocking-footage-c-13114368
A pretty awesome jump, to be honest.
Right? Amazing, but still just an anecdote.
There was a very similar case in 1991 in Belgium, for anyone that doesn’t know look up the white march, also do some digging into the solvay family, and solvay chemical company drug patents. It’s the same kind of case with the same kind of people in fact some of the same people. Thousands of people marched dressed in white against child abuse in Belgium in 1991. This one gets undeniably dark, so don’t investigate you are sensitive, you will regret it. I did!! Also if you want to dig a bit deeper look for the tie between the march and a satanic group called Abraxis, again at your own risk!
Mark Deutrex case? That looked like it was going to trigger a revolution, involved the royal family and police...
I was really young at that time, but I had cable!! I do not remember that case making any kind of headlines in the United States. Something like that, with all the usual suspects should have been big here as well. I could be wrong, I was young and I may have missed the news. If not that case is a bother huge reminder of how corrupt our media was even then. The castle is called Chateau des Amerois, it as well should be covered a lot more in the United States considering its owners are the producers of all the fluoride that goes into our water supply, also they produce a lot of our ever so helpful psych medications, the family owns a lot of businesses and properties in the US. The salvoy conferences , changed science as we know it, they helped push it down the path that it’s on now. There is way too much to ignore. I hope a real reporter covers the 2 cases together, so more people are aware.
It didn't. But it would today, thank goodness.
Ya, that one was dark, it turns out the Clinton’s where some how tied to that one as well. It really interesting what the owners of that castle do for a living, undeniably interesting!
Bill Barr’s father was Donald Barr was Headmaster at Dalton School where he hired Jeffrey Epstein as an unqualified teacher. Hmmm
The son is not necessarily guilty of even knowing about the sins of the father.
But now we need to know...
Later a major pedophile scandal there too.
Didn't he have an office at Harvard as well? Like, even after he was charged and convicted the first time, IIRC.
I saw the flight records in 2016. I made people angry by saying Bill was going to Pedophile Island. I hope they say they are sorry, but they won’t.
It's old news by now. #MoveOn.Org
Ha, ha, ha!
(Just lol'ing about the term "move on" now! Like hell we're moving on...)
I hoped somebody would remember the original intention of MoveOn. :)
Let the shitshow begin!
Where ya' been? (No disagreement nor offense intended!)
This is just the latest season finale cliffhanger, and we're gonna make sure this show is never canceled. (Hat tip to Ben Franklin.)
I chose a file at random #33. It looks to be mostly doctors and health care facilities that Jizzlane failed to reveal during discovery. Here are some of those names.
Dr.StevenOlson
Dr. Chris Donahue
Dr. John Harris and Dr. Majaliyana
Dr. Wah Wah
Dr. Sellathuri
Royal Oaks Medical Center
Dr. Carol Hayek
NYPresbyterian Hospital
Campbelltown Hospital
Sydney West Hospital
Westmead Hospital
Dr. Karen Kutikoff
Wellington Imaging Associates
Growing Together
Dr. Judith Lightfoot
One of the ones I read was the state complaining about her not releasing the files.....
Avoid 13 unless you want to read about detailed "massages"
I'm reading them all......
wow props
My condolences
Comes with the job.......can I write off eye bleach?
Not the stuff I'm sending you.
Arranging psychiatric care, too...
"After being ordered to provide this information, Plaintiff continued her strategy of providing made up or false information, or simply refusing to provide the ordered information."
Just one line of MANY that show contempt of court IMO. Also from file 33.
Egads. This just goes from bad to worse . . . . What a mess. . . . .
Sunshine, sweet sunshine!
As the files get released, don’t forget who the lists he was making were for. Our current CIA Director William Burns met with Epstein 3 times in 2014. Every name that gets released, think to yourself “now what could the intelligence agencies do if they controlled ‘X’ person via sexual blackmail?”
Like say, in the 1990’s controlling both the richest man in the world and the goddamn President at the same time.
It's all about intel brokering at its core.
You could meet with Epstein if you had the info he wanted to broker.
Agreed. The only way any of this makes sense is if the whole thing were an op, and the intelligence/blackmail is still useful.
2nd Smartest Guy in the World has some theories today on what/why we’re being distracted by this nothing burger of a list
Exactly, but it *is* the next step. What's important is always what gets exposed *next*.
Conctinuing that logic, then the release of the list would mean that the agency utilising it now has re-structured the OP to benefit from the release.
If they are in any way intelligent at all, I mean. They could of course also be so blinkered that they thought the court would never move to release it.
You Cynic!
(You're a pea in my pod, Rikard.)
I’ll admit, the paranoid part of me can’t help but going down that line of thinking, but the optimist in me says that no, the veil of secrecy is imploding because, to be blunt, people are sick of this shit.
I’ve never been on the left and didn’t exactly come from a rich family but I’ve been around elite circles here and there, at least in my social circle, everyone is sick of this shit, the secrets, the psyops, especially post-2014, especially more post-2016, and especially even more post-2020.
Martin Gurri’s book Revolt of the Public is excellent on this, and I feel required reading, with even slightly open information channels, you can only lie for so long.
To quote a very underappreciated sci-fi movie: “You can’t stop the signal.”
I'm quite cynical, for reasons of personality and experience both, but while I hope you are right - people being fed up - I would opine that any sign of that in reality is a changing of the guard; the younger breed inside the agencies making their move.
The old guard can either shuffle out of the way discreetly while the most incriminating stuff is covered up, or fight and get busted.
That is the tried and true method after all, in all intelligence communities where the home nation and the people are seen as the real enemy of the power in power, so to speak.
Not a conspiracy as such, just the way the organism works.
But I do hope I'm wrong and this is real change for the better.
This time there’s a wild card though. I’m not a researcher by any stretch but I know the open-source AI community well. The Powers That Be lost control of AI when Google open-sourced the Transformer architecture in 2017. The tech giants’ revenge.
AI advancement is simply too valuable to too many people with too much power to slow down. The government may try to control AI but the global financial interests in protecting open-source AI (which is free, therefore they can make piles of money off it) and threats from China beating the West in AI is too great to restrict that.
Also, I’ll endorse Elon’s prediction of AGI in 3 years, Geoffrey Hinton, the godfather of AI says 4, the NVidia CEO says 3, who knows. But this is coming much much sooner than most people expect. In the leadup to this, things are going to go insane, but everything will be exposed.
Lemme tell ya, 2024 is gonna be the wildest year in American history, not the worst, but most insane, and I have no idea what the result may be, but I guarantee the combination of these exposures, this election, and AI advancement will make for something truly crazy.
Excellent take, M. JesterColin.
Perhaps we are farther along than even I think, and 2024 will be the "things have to get worse" and 2025 will be the start of the road back to the salvation of Western Civilization.
A guy's gotta have hope, right?
(crickets)
Right.
Well, this is far from a complete list and a lot of this particular batch was reported on at the time. But I think in general you are right, the dribbles will mostly coincide with the continued usefulness of the asset.
Intelligence agencies (because spying sounds so declassé) are like Hotel California in that regard: once you're in, you're not leaving.
No way, no how.
Hey!
Hotel California has more vacancy with each passing U-Haul.
The Deep State on the other hand...
I agree, but many power brokers of 2005 no longer have any power and can be thrown under the bus to help save the rest of them. Prince Andrew was already ruined, for example - no (more) harm by letting him get eaten by the wolves.
Yeah, but he was/is an idiot, like Biden really.
Congressman Tim Burchett in a recent interview mentioned that sexual blackmail was being used way more than people liked to believe in Washington (see my note on that).
Now, this has been in the congressional record from the Church Commission hearings on MKULTRA, we do it, the CCP does it, it’s even got a name: “Honeypot”.
See though, the problem became that what the public was willing to accept in their politicians became more and more difficult to blackmail people with as social morays changed. Can’t really blackmail someone for being gay, hell, you can blackmail men for banging prostitutes except by threatening to blow up their marriage, but Clinton, and then Trump, made the old school “sex scandal” not be a deathknell for a political career.
So what does one do? Well, if an intel agency only cares about control and has no moral compass, there’s an MKULTRA era technique of setting someone up with a prostitute then afterwards tell them “by the way, she was 17”, then they’re under full control.
Epstein though was the perfect asset. Collect the most unsavory of powerful people and get perfect blackmail material on them, where they can’t give any possible excuse. Norms won’t change for what Epstein was offering.
The CCP does this too, obviously. Now, the question is, how many people are compromised beyond just the Epstein list? How many people in power are being sexually blackmailed by either the US Intel agencies or the CCP by these methods are tracking, let’s say, unsavory internet history?
That’s the real question.
The WEF is meeting in Davos this week.
I have the same question, what goes on at the Young Global Leaders' training camp to so completely capture them?
Is it just the promise of power, or is there more?
It was not a CCP, no way. Something closer, take a pick between London and Tel Aviv.
Yes obviously Jeffrey Epstein was not a CCP asset, my point is the CCP does the same thing. Epstein was CIA. The prosecutor in the case in Florida, Alex Acosta literally said he was told Epstein “belonged to Intelligence”.
He was just one aspect of the mass surveillance/control superstructure that started during the Inslaw Affair.
Exactly correct -- meaning that 'the swamp' will literally sex traffic minors in order to increase its power. (Obviously, cheating in an election is a bridge too far, though.)
As for your last question.......probably all of them. At least that would explain why they're acting so stupidly.
It’s definitely a lot. Just on the CCP point, for whatever reason I wargame with myself in my own head to think: “I’m Xi Jinping and I want to rule the world. To do that, I need those damn semiconductor fabrication plants in Taiwan to control 90% of the world’s electronics production and I’m a megalomaniac with no moral compass, what should I do?”
The answer is, of course, many things. But with all that Tiktok data, I’m damn sure, just statistically, he could find DoD employees who have been following, or even DMing, girls below the age of 18, to say the least.
All good Ol’ Xi would need to say is “Give us ‘X’ information or we give this to ‘Y’ Youtube perv hunter” or whatever.
That’s just the lowest cost version. If one can see all on the internet, lotta control in that.
With Epstein though? Well, the nefarious crimes he was able to collect for the West’s Security State effectively gave them even more control over very powerful people.
Allegedly, of course.
I’m sure Burns was meeting him for tea to discuss recent derivatives trading techniques and this obviously has nothing to do with why Burns is the current CIA Director.
I talk a little about that in this article:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/now-that-were-done-pretending-hunters
The laptop is real. Everybody knows it. It proves that Joe Biden is bought and paid for. Now it’s time to ask the hard questions: What would a bought president be doing? Cutting our energy independence? Hurting Americans by cutting off trade via sanctions? Pushing us into a war we can’t possibly win that would likely lead to the rise of China as the world’s superpower? Devaluing the dollar and gutting the middle class?
Maybe the better question is: If Biden’s goal was to wreck the economy and enable the rise of China, would he be doing anything at all differently?
All excellent questions.
I’m not even sure where to begin with this beyond the convoluted antisemitism and also pointing out this is not how finance or just economics in general work. There are actual conspiracies in the world. They aren’t related to these bizarre delusions about Jews, especially seeing as Obama hates Israel to this day.
M. JesterColin, please keep commenting on this, my favorite stack, and ignore the idiots SimulationCommander's excellence and success sometimes attracts.
I definitely will, I try to read every article.
See my other response, what pushes my buttons is idiocy, and idiocy like this is how an actual investigation of misdeads can be ignored because people can point to responses like yours and go “See! Everyone angry at CIA misdeeds are actually people who think Satanist pedophiles combined with Israel rule the world!”
Um, what? I’m an atheist of Irish Catholic descent but am generally fine with Israel. Am I also part of this ‘Satanist ZOG’? See this is the problem. The real conspiracies are too crazy for normal but not crazy enough for conspiracy theorists.
Everything I say is based on human nature and how it activates in different environments, but you take this flying leap that bad things happen, therefore pedophile Satanist Zionists secretly rule the world. That’s not how humans work, and is just generally patently ridiculous. For your worldview to actually exist, there would have to be a selection pressure for all institutions of power to select for pedophiles and Satanists AND people who like Israel. That makes no goddamn sense.
Explain to me exactly how that could happen in the course of human history.
I've learned not to engage these people.
They're professional idiots. He/she's just trying to drag you into their ring.
But I agree with everything you've said.
He will be unable to explain anything for 24 hrs -- at least here.
100% on your decision on that.
Did CNN warn the great unwashed masses not to read them like they did the last time secret files were released?
No warning, just no link at all! Much easier that way.
"Do NOT do your own research. We'll tell you what to think. "
Don Lemon quote.
This is a paraphrased quote from multiple talking heads within in the mainstream media:
> https://youtu.be/quU_Tbv96Wk
They really do think we are idiots, don't they.
Indeed ~ and, unfortunately, far too many people these days are proving them right, at least when they manage to generate enough fear porn.
I find it infuriating that some are getting a “stay” on revelation of their names. One woman in particular claims she lives in a “very conservative” country where she could be in danger if her name was revealed.
Maybe don’t be an f’ing douchebag pedo or participate in other criminal acts & then there’s no problem.
The fact that all of them are f’ing pedos should be enough to completely unmask every one of them.
And WTF re only 1st names???
It should be pointed out that not all of these people are clients....
Absolutely essential to remain "in perspective" *and* skeptical even of what looks to be sunshined truth.
That said, every one of us can be forgiven for Screaming our righteous emotional response. (I know you know that, M. Sim. Your careful adherence to the avoidance of hyperbole is not only necessary, but part of your secret sauce, imo!)
Thanks for pointing that out, but, already too many will embarrass our side by jumping to false conclusions. Tim Pool cover this very aspect, mainly concerning Kimmel and Trump.
W/ all due respect, what are they then, if not clients, “friends” of a wealthy & very influential pedo w/ impeccable international sex ring connections?
Victims.
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2024-01/1320-7.pdf
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2024-01/1320-9.pdf
Jane Doe #3’s Circumstances
As with Jane Doe #1 and Jane Doe #2, Jane Doe #3 was repeatedly sexually abused by
Epstein. The Government then concealed from Jane Doe #3 the existence of its NPA from Jane Doe #3, in violation of her rights under the CVRA. If allowed to join this action, Jane Doe #3 would prove the following: In 1999, Jane Doe #3 was approached by Ghislaine Maxwell, one of the main women whom Epstein used to procure under-aged girls for sexual activities and a primary co-conspirator in his sexual abuse and sex trafficking scheme.
In fact, it became known to the government that Maxwell herself regularly participated in Epstein’s sexual exploitation of minors, including Jane Doe #3. Maxwell persuaded Jane Doe #3 (who was then fifteen years old) to come to Epstein’s mansion in a fashion very similar to the manner in which Epstein and his other co-conspirators coerced dozens of other children (including Jane Doe #1 and Jane Doe #2).
When Jane Doe #3 began giving Epstein a “massage,” Epstein and Maxwell turned it into a sexual encounter, as they had done with many other victims. Epstein then became enamored with Jane Doe #3, and with the assistance of Maxwell converted her into what is commonly referred to as a “sex slave.”
Epstein kept Jane Doe #3 as his sex slave from about 1999 through 2002, when she managed to escape to a foreign country and hide out from Epstein and his co-conspirators for years. From 1999 through 2002, Epstein frequently sexually abused Jane Doe #3, not only in West Palm Beach, but also in New York, New Mexico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, in international airspace on his Epstein’s private planes, and elsewhere.
(Like I love saying, my man John Solomon.)
(His ex, The Washington Times, has been good of late, too.)
I’m talking about the men on the list, although certainly women (like Maxwell) can be sexual prreditors & I’ll bet there are some of those on the list too. Goes w/out saying that real victims should have their privacy protected & (understandably not be revealed.
I think a female like Maxwell was key to Epstein's success (ick, I hate to refer to it as such) in the trafficking. She is in the background of most all the pix of the victims.
And she's very clearly the one who's 'grooming' the girls. If Epstein would have done it, it would have been creepy -- but when another woman does it.......
Still, I don't really see how these people don't deserve some sort of charges as well. (Thinking specifically of somebody in the documentary who got her sister involved long after the inappropriate sex got started.)
From what I can tell, nearly the whole thing relied on the women bringing in more women. I'll have a lot to say about it, but it's super weird to me that these 'masseuses' not only go along with it in most cases, but actually get their friends involved, too.
Is there a consideration of "Stockholm Syndrome" as well, or even "misery loves company", or both?
In various eastern societies in the last millennium, or in Genghis Khan's time, these situations were common and expected among the rulers.
For another example, look at the arrangements around the Playboy Mansion and Mr. Heffner- very carefully not underaged but similar acceptance by the ladies involved.
In many societies 15 year old girls were entirely marriageable and not sanctioned or cause for concern, and this would include arranged marriages. Then look at Romeo and Juliet and until Zeffirrelli there was little complaint about the protagonists' ages.
Re recruitment, for any non-minors (& maybe even the minors), it may have sounded quite glamorous at 1st: exotic locales, luxurious surroundings, proximity to & sex w/ wealthy/powerful celebs or so-called titans of industry/business, princes, heads of state, etc. They may even have had deluded fantasies a là “Pretty Woman” where they snag a rich guy.
It’s not much different from prostitution other than age of consent. I wonder where the parents of the younger victims were - paid off & willing to prostitute their daughters? The girls were runaways/homeless? Drug addicts?
100% agree! Why should any of these worst-crime-imaginable-degenerates have any privacy/protection from being outed. They should all be in jail and let loose amongst the inmates (we all know what they do to child molesters)
They are part & parcel of the globalist cabal that have been orchestrating depop & everything else for a very long time. “Rules for thee but not for me” as to WuFlu, “climate change”, education, borders/walls, crime, gaming systems, ad nauseum.
In a sane world, these people would be exposed & punished, but those in power all over the world are “in on it”
simulationcommander posted a link to just the news, that is still working
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/read-first-batch-jeffrey-epstein-court-documents
I have read only a snippet here and there. Most of the names you mention I already knew from photos that had been published. The usual crappy people that are always hanging around making money from thin air
reading these testimonies is nauseating.
Gosh, people are sick in the head.
Exactly how I'm feeling.
Don't let the evil in the world get to you, my friend(s).
*We* exist, too, and will always outnumber.
Thing is it's always been an all comers' schlongfest. There's no realm of the powerful and would-be powerful untouched by it. For every name any side wants to chortle over, there's gonna be another name that makes 'em cry.
Bring it on! I will not defend one “ schlong” that gets “ exposed” ( 😂). I will confess that my ex husband had a wandering schlong, so maybe that’s part of my baggage, but to me really, it’s more like you idiots are the elites supposedly smarter than most to do what’s best for the world and it all boils down to “ a penis has no brains” and gets caught up in the ultimate Honeyhole trap? We are so screwed. Not literally.
You have a way to paint with words... at least, after reading about "wandering schlong" and "Honeyhole trap" I don't need breakfast.
Beating the adolescent boy out of the man is a hopeless endeavor.
lol you said beating the adolescent boy
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