Time was, the man on the spot made the call and no one else. Nowadays it's a whole chain of bucket passing to go through first so the scuzz-buckets called politicians and civil servants can keep their back clear, which is why police et al are made to wait in during such events: they are micromanaged and will be penalised, even fired or charged if acting without explicit orders.
I'm hoping for the day when police and military personnel and officers snap. A people's court for politicians: life doing hard labour (say clearing weeds from railroads or scrapping old engines and reactors and such, manually) or the hemp fandango.
As for gun control - the very phrase is a lie. You can register owners and to prebuy checks and limit ammo and number and types of firearms to your heart's content and it will not make one jot of a difference. Want to know why?
Because the people you do not want to have guns, do not care about neither law nor sense nor reason.
Not trying to start any arguments. I actually agree with many of the things written about here. However, I also value objectivity and multiple points of view.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it" - Aristotle
It's a decent enough article, but the fact remains:
"A common keyboard commando refrain is: “The cops signed up for it.” This is true. The cops did sign up for it, and you didn’t. The cops in Uvalde signed up for it when almost nobody else wants to. They signed up to do a job so unpopular that police departments are handing out five-figure signing bonuses to anyone both willing to do the job and able to meet the minimum requirements. At one time, “not signing up for it” was not really an option — before the advent of modern policing, people were drafted to work as constables and everyone in the community was responsible for the pursuit and apprehension of violent criminals. But now we have professional police and the division of labor, so you don’t have to sign up for it — and you don’t."
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These are the people who literally signed up for the job. If they aren't willing to do it, they should get the fuck out of the way and allow people who WILL do it to step in.
The parents 100% would have gone into the building if the police didn't stop them. There are your 'keyboard warriors' who didn't sign up but simply found themselves in the middle of the action.
There's zero chance that I am at the scene of a mass shooting, ESPECIALLY IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, and simply do nothing.
Meanwhile, people like me are vetted and denied when applying for military service, civil defence service or police training.
Because part of the selection process is checking up if the applicant has opinions, beliefs or political stances that run counter-narrative to hiring policy.
Your willingness to serve, your physical and mental ability to do so and your previous knowledge and experience matters not, compared to following orders and being on-message.
Reading US, british and European newspapers online for 10+ years ahve given me zero reason to believe that this is a local managerial procedure. And willingness to make hard decisions and accept reality for what it is, runs counter to being liberal, progressive, and (post)modernist, meaning all services self-select for more and more limpwristed incompetence, mentally unfit or people unable to do the job when the knife hits the bone.
Pussy-hats, pick-your-pronoun training, sensitivity 101 and check your privilege inclusivity brainwashing gets you police who stand around waiting for orders from politically appointed commanders deathly afraid to give the order, in turn waiting for orders from politicians who first must stick their finger up in the rectum called media to feel which way the wind is blowing.
40 years ago, two officers would have been enough to do the job.
While recently investigating a story, I found that colleges are nearly always required to record training sessions and make them available for people who missed them the first time around.
"Oddly", the racial training consisting of anti-white lectures wasn't record. "To provide a safe space to share." I have a feeling I know who needs the safe space and doesn't want their views to become public..........
"40 years ago, two officers would have been enough to do the job."
60 years ago, two parents would have been enough to do the job.
Texas also blew off that poor girl kidnapped from basketball game and put into sex slavery. Oklahoma cops saved her and arrested 6-8 pedo slave gang. WTF Texas?!
Update (1630ET): The gunman who massacred 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas lingered outside for 12 minutes firing shots at people in a funeral home across the street, before scaling a fence onto school grounds where he fired more shots. He then entered the school and barricading himself in a classroom before opening fire, according to the Wall Street Journal.
Victor Escalon, a regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said he couldn’t say why no one stopped the deceased gunman, 18 year-old Salvador Ramos, from entering the school during that time Tuesday. Most of the shots Ramos fired came during the first several minutes when he entered the school, Mr. Escalon said.
DPS officials previously said an armed school officer confronted Ramos as he arrived at the school. Mr. Escalon said Thursday that information was incorrect and no one encountered Ramos as he arrived at the school. “There was not an officer readily available and armed,” Mr. Escalon said. -WSJ
Further observation on tiny details: why is grandpa like
"Hey, come over during my family tragedy, have a chat, let's take a peek of the crime scene, whoops don't slip on my wifes blood pool"
And absence of bullet holes in the home. He shot an AR-15 in an apartment complex bathroom wall.
How could there not be a bullet hole. Grandfather of Texas school shooter shows inside his blood-soaked home and reveals bullet went through her cheek and exited under her ear - but she's awake and communicating. She even called 911!
30 FBI Agents checked into Mandalay Bay Hotel 1 day before 2017 Las Vegas shooting. Fired more than 1,000 bullets, killing 60 people and wounding 411 with the ensuing panic bringing the number of injured to 867.
This makes me nauseous. Literally. I just can't with these bastards. If they won't do the job they were hired to do, then what good are they? I could never get on board with all the bleating about defunding the police, but seriously, if they're there to harass people about mask wearing but not to save lives, then shit, what do we need them for?
They might have also had "more bang for the buck" if they had any teachers who had taken advantage of the program that would have allowed them to carry while in school. Hell, you don't even need to argue that "the teachers don't have any obligation to keep your child safe when they are with them", as shown in many of these instances; just appeal to their selfish natures and make them realize that they are fighting for their own lives too! And to knowingly plan to fight back against lethal force with classroom items and canned food is an example of magical thinking at its best...
How many parents would have also died from gunshots?
I don't excuse the police, but their protocol is to secure the perimeter so that a shooter can't escape. The fish, er, victims inside the barrel, uh, perimeter, are SOL until the police are massed up enough with firepower to go in safely.
Because shooters understand this, they can expect to find unarmed kids and teachers to be easy pickings.
The lone officer that went in without backup disrupted that scenario, and we have him to thank for the carnage not being worse.
Officers are people too, I get it. But you DO take the job knowing that you have to make decisions that may imperil your own life, and that's part of the description.
Act like it still means something. Even if it means getting inside to provide situational awareness for others to more quickly storm the building.
How many Texas parents were armed and willing to save their kids? That mom was badass, no gun. LEOs are often parents, how could they abide such an order?
Some parents would prefer to take that gamble over living on with the knowledge that they weren't there for their kid. Ugh...the guilt some of these parents must be feeling...😪
"How many parents would have also died from gunshots?" with this mentality you are proving that you would have been perfectly content to wait in the parking lot until the "authorities" told you that it was safe to get your child (or identity their body).
Hell, you'd probably be thankful that those big, tough cops were there guarding that parking lot and keeping you "safe".
If it had been a number of parents emotionally trying to get to their kids while a shooter is roaming loose, there will be more victims. It also complicates a police response to try to sort out who the shooter is from all the people.
It's not a "mentality", it's reality. And if there are armed parents, will they get shot by police mistaking them for the shooter(s)? If the police are properly trained, they won't shoot a person unless they're a threat to them, but if there are multiple parents with guns, things get hairy very fast.
If the shooter is wearing a POLICE jacket, that also complicates things.
The "mentality" is trying to keep a bad situation from getting worse. We can all Thursday morning quarterback this all we want. How you respond in the middle of a firefight is another thing altogether.
You don't seem well educated on this subject... Do you realize that anyone at the scene could have been deputized on the spot and given a gun? And that there are numerous times in which this has actually taken place? The shooter confusion issue is real for the most incompetent police, I'll give you that, but just as you said... Most often, the quickest route to identify friend or foe is by who is shooting at you. When it comes down to it, it is all about who is willing to take the risks and do the work, and if you aren't, then get the hell out of the way. I'm pretty satisfied with my record in firefights now that you bring it up, and it's guys like me who rewrote those tactics. The tactics that were employed in this instance were incorrect and likely modified by someone with rank who had a much too risk-averse mindset. If you can't do the job, then you need to look for a different line of work.
I'm well familiar with this topic. I don't think you understand the power of insurance companies and lawyers to prevent this because of fear of being sued. They're the ones who dictate a lot of policy, regardless of what the people want.
If I had been deputized on the spot (and I wouldn't need to be asked), I'd volunteer. But then again, police wig out when people step up to willingly take a gun.
You make an excellent point about how averse we are as a society now that so many policy makers are perfectly happy to let others be hurt or killed as long as they can't sue...
I've shared this story before in a few substack threads, relating to the natural fear of each person to be more concerned with themselves than with collectively rising up and fighting an opponent, even when there is the risk of personal injury or death.
As a kids, I saw a bunch of mexican kids gang up on a korean kid in the late 70's. The Bruce Lee mythos was huge, and anybody with slanted eyes was believed to have amazing kung-fu powers. They ganged up on him, and the korean kid backed himself into a corner (smart!), thus forcing the collective group to be minimized to just the few who could fit in in front of him.
The interesting thing is that each of the mexican kids facing the korean kid individually tried to encourage a different mexican kid to take the first shot at him.
In the end, nobody threw a punch, and the mexican kids psyched themselves out on fear, rather than just ovewhelm the korean kid.
Individually, we tend to let someone else take the risk, and there are times when that no longer works if we expect to change lawless behavior.
I guess me and the deputies that I associated with were the exceptions. Things change for a lot of people when you start hearing the screams.
You seem to be very familiar with topic of what is being taught in areas that don't like the idea of people being armed and defending themselves and others. You have a great knowledge of policies developed and designed by people to avoid litigation, not to actually empower people to take control of their own personal safety and the safety of those in their charge.
I didn't say I agreed with them. I just understand how policy is made and it chaps my hide that we've been reduced to following policies by risk-adverse companies and lawyers, rather than deal with it appropriately in the moment.
When I went through our Sheriff's Academy in 2019, the policy had changed because it has become apparent that the paradigm has changed. These are no longer hostage situations and you can not expect the perpetrator/s to act rationally. We were instructed on newer, more tactically relavent procedures to disrupt these murderous plans...
Since Columbine the standard operating procedure is to rush the building because it's not a hostage situation where you can just chill outside.
Obviously stopping parents from going into the building wouldn't be necessary if the cops were doing their jobs. But if they're going to stand around outside, I can't fault any parent who disobeys and rushes in to get their kids. (As a couple did)
The “stark and important” lessons learned from the Columbine response, which was widely criticized, may have helped save lives Wednesday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Gagliano said. Before the Colorado shooting, responding officers would set up a secure perimeter around the crime scene before even thinking about moving on the suspect.
In Parkland, authorities say Nikolas Cruz, 19, fatally shot 17 people at his former school before blending in with the students and staff rushing out of the school building. He was arrested in a neighboring community later in the day.
“Nowadays, what we do is go to the sound of the guns,” Gagliano said. “You get one, two, three, four people together. We’re trained. We use particular formations.”
Gagliano called it a “heterogeneous group” of first responders that could include local, state and federal agencies.
“You’re going to the sound of the guns,” he said. “The No. 1 goal is to interdict the shooter or shooters. In the old days, you took land. You went in. You clear the room. Then you slowly and methodically move to clear the next room. In this instance … get to the shooter as quickly as possible and that’s what they clearly did here.”
Why have a dedicated security team if they don't know what the fuck they are doing? This is why the people bleating 'WE NEED MORE SECURITY' are laughable.....if you hire incompetent cowards, no number of them will provide security.
Make those security guards mothers who have kids at the school and I bet the attitude is different.
Since liberals are so intent on bringing kids into adult topics such as transgenderism, they shouldn't be against showing kids how a weapon works.
If nothing else, there's the kindergarden cop scenario: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMQADg1Dp9g except throw things at the perp, shove desks, use backpacks with books as shields. (They do carry books still, right?)
The anguished cries of the parents is heart wrenching. I can't believe how many armed officers are standing around doing nothing but turning a deaf ear to the parents' frantic pleas. We are living in the Twilight Zone. It would be hard to believe if you didn't see it with your own eyes. I have a feeling these law enforcement officers are going to be tormented over this for the rest of their lives.
No wonder people get suspicious about these things. At some point, where do you start doubting it's really incompetence.
On a less conspiracy driven note, these videos are the reason anyone talking gun control, even at this moment, isn't going to get very far. "The police will protect you" doesn't inspire much confidence when the police are cowards themselves. They waited for the SWAT team because they didn't want to get shot. Such brave men and women.
Mitch McConnell has as much interest in disarming the populace as Schumer does. It's not a surprise. You can tell the politicians of the Uniparty and those that actually listen to voters, at least among the Republicans.
There are no good reasons for waiting. Ranger Walker certainly wouldn't wait. And I wouldn't have. Lots of mythology about Texas. Apparently they're as neurotic as everyone else.
Saw another story about a (unarmed) mom, found a way inside, found her kids, escorted them out, WHILE THE POLICE WERE WAITING OUT FRONT! Not their finest hour.
I saw a clip where someone said they were afraid they would get shot, and said person was defending them. No, there is no excuse. He was one kid with a gun. They were grown, trained men with many guns and body armor. They had 12 minutes while he was outside the school and they didn't get there. And then once he was in the school, they didn't do anything. It took an off-duty CPD officer to rush in and kill him, or more children would have died. It's unacceptable, and the very reason I laugh at the idea that we should give up our guns because the "police will protect you." No, they won't, and people realize they won't.
The problem isn't the gun. The problem is cowardice: a party that won't "offend" by pulling kids like this young men off the street for psych evals (contrary to Abbott's claims, he showed plenty of signs of aggression and mental illness) and cowards that won't face him when he finally goes off and would rather let children die than risk getting shot themselves.
Bureaucracy in action, or inaction rather.
Time was, the man on the spot made the call and no one else. Nowadays it's a whole chain of bucket passing to go through first so the scuzz-buckets called politicians and civil servants can keep their back clear, which is why police et al are made to wait in during such events: they are micromanaged and will be penalised, even fired or charged if acting without explicit orders.
I'm hoping for the day when police and military personnel and officers snap. A people's court for politicians: life doing hard labour (say clearing weeds from railroads or scrapping old engines and reactors and such, manually) or the hemp fandango.
As for gun control - the very phrase is a lie. You can register owners and to prebuy checks and limit ammo and number and types of firearms to your heart's content and it will not make one jot of a difference. Want to know why?
Because the people you do not want to have guns, do not care about neither law nor sense nor reason.
Might as well try to control the climate.
I'm just going to leave this here:
https://grahamfactor.substack.com/p/a-brief-note-for-keyboard-warriors?utm_source=%2Finbox&utm_medium=reader2&s=r
Not trying to start any arguments. I actually agree with many of the things written about here. However, I also value objectivity and multiple points of view.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it" - Aristotle
It's a decent enough article, but the fact remains:
"A common keyboard commando refrain is: “The cops signed up for it.” This is true. The cops did sign up for it, and you didn’t. The cops in Uvalde signed up for it when almost nobody else wants to. They signed up to do a job so unpopular that police departments are handing out five-figure signing bonuses to anyone both willing to do the job and able to meet the minimum requirements. At one time, “not signing up for it” was not really an option — before the advent of modern policing, people were drafted to work as constables and everyone in the community was responsible for the pursuit and apprehension of violent criminals. But now we have professional police and the division of labor, so you don’t have to sign up for it — and you don’t."
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These are the people who literally signed up for the job. If they aren't willing to do it, they should get the fuck out of the way and allow people who WILL do it to step in.
The parents 100% would have gone into the building if the police didn't stop them. There are your 'keyboard warriors' who didn't sign up but simply found themselves in the middle of the action.
There's zero chance that I am at the scene of a mass shooting, ESPECIALLY IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, and simply do nothing.
Meanwhile, people like me are vetted and denied when applying for military service, civil defence service or police training.
Because part of the selection process is checking up if the applicant has opinions, beliefs or political stances that run counter-narrative to hiring policy.
Your willingness to serve, your physical and mental ability to do so and your previous knowledge and experience matters not, compared to following orders and being on-message.
Reading US, british and European newspapers online for 10+ years ahve given me zero reason to believe that this is a local managerial procedure. And willingness to make hard decisions and accept reality for what it is, runs counter to being liberal, progressive, and (post)modernist, meaning all services self-select for more and more limpwristed incompetence, mentally unfit or people unable to do the job when the knife hits the bone.
Pussy-hats, pick-your-pronoun training, sensitivity 101 and check your privilege inclusivity brainwashing gets you police who stand around waiting for orders from politically appointed commanders deathly afraid to give the order, in turn waiting for orders from politicians who first must stick their finger up in the rectum called media to feel which way the wind is blowing.
40 years ago, two officers would have been enough to do the job.
While recently investigating a story, I found that colleges are nearly always required to record training sessions and make them available for people who missed them the first time around.
"Oddly", the racial training consisting of anti-white lectures wasn't record. "To provide a safe space to share." I have a feeling I know who needs the safe space and doesn't want their views to become public..........
"40 years ago, two officers would have been enough to do the job."
60 years ago, two parents would have been enough to do the job.
I appreciate Jason Whitlock's take on it https://www.theblaze.com/fearless/oped/whitlock-obama-blm-george-floyd-uvalde
Health & Safety regulations?
The Journal's article is here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161
But they were viciously aggressive with the parents. Cops mission is to protect and serve themselves. They take good pictures of crime scenes.
This was Texas! I thought they were tougher.
Texas also blew off that poor girl kidnapped from basketball game and put into sex slavery. Oklahoma cops saved her and arrested 6-8 pedo slave gang. WTF Texas?!
Texas ain't what it used to be. Too many californians moving there, maybe.
Stunning. Can't imagine being detained under those circumstances. Where did those orders come from? Something is rotten in Denmark.
This was in Texas, for God's sake. In California, the police would have entered the school to reload the guy's weapons for him.
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Update (1630ET): The gunman who massacred 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas lingered outside for 12 minutes firing shots at people in a funeral home across the street, before scaling a fence onto school grounds where he fired more shots. He then entered the school and barricading himself in a classroom before opening fire, according to the Wall Street Journal.
Victor Escalon, a regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said he couldn’t say why no one stopped the deceased gunman, 18 year-old Salvador Ramos, from entering the school during that time Tuesday. Most of the shots Ramos fired came during the first several minutes when he entered the school, Mr. Escalon said.
DPS officials previously said an armed school officer confronted Ramos as he arrived at the school. Mr. Escalon said Thursday that information was incorrect and no one encountered Ramos as he arrived at the school. “There was not an officer readily available and armed,” Mr. Escalon said. -WSJ
Further observation on tiny details: why is grandpa like
"Hey, come over during my family tragedy, have a chat, let's take a peek of the crime scene, whoops don't slip on my wifes blood pool"
And absence of bullet holes in the home. He shot an AR-15 in an apartment complex bathroom wall.
How could there not be a bullet hole. Grandfather of Texas school shooter shows inside his blood-soaked home and reveals bullet went through her cheek and exited under her ear - but she's awake and communicating. She even called 911!
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Cheek shot with bullet exit, but no hole. Point blank AR-15 shot...
https://mobile.twitter.com/AliBradleyTV/status/1529815619981430786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1529815619981430786%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage5145496%2Fpg1
And back to the expensive truck he crashed. Salvador Ramos, 18, arrived at the school in Uvalde at 11.30am, crashing his car into a ditch.
30 FBI Agents checked into Mandalay Bay Hotel 1 day before 2017 Las Vegas shooting. Fired more than 1,000 bullets, killing 60 people and wounding 411 with the ensuing panic bringing the number of injured to 867.
https://www.governmentslaves.news/30-fbi-agents-checked-into-mandalay-bay-hotel-1-2-days-before-vegas-shooting/
Just another example, one of the many. Why should we be surprised about it?
I wish there would be something more than empty demagoguery and endless generalizations, like in the majority of substacks...
This makes me nauseous. Literally. I just can't with these bastards. If they won't do the job they were hired to do, then what good are they? I could never get on board with all the bleating about defunding the police, but seriously, if they're there to harass people about mask wearing but not to save lives, then shit, what do we need them for?
They might have also had "more bang for the buck" if they had any teachers who had taken advantage of the program that would have allowed them to carry while in school. Hell, you don't even need to argue that "the teachers don't have any obligation to keep your child safe when they are with them", as shown in many of these instances; just appeal to their selfish natures and make them realize that they are fighting for their own lives too! And to knowingly plan to fight back against lethal force with classroom items and canned food is an example of magical thinking at its best...
In Utah a state law overrides local laws and states this exact thing.
As far as I know, there have been 0 school shootings in Utah.
Edit: https://www.newsweek.com/utah-teachers-can-carry-guns-school-and-not-tell-anyone-269923
How many parents would have also died from gunshots?
I don't excuse the police, but their protocol is to secure the perimeter so that a shooter can't escape. The fish, er, victims inside the barrel, uh, perimeter, are SOL until the police are massed up enough with firepower to go in safely.
Because shooters understand this, they can expect to find unarmed kids and teachers to be easy pickings.
The lone officer that went in without backup disrupted that scenario, and we have him to thank for the carnage not being worse.
Officers are people too, I get it. But you DO take the job knowing that you have to make decisions that may imperil your own life, and that's part of the description.
Act like it still means something. Even if it means getting inside to provide situational awareness for others to more quickly storm the building.
How many Texas parents were armed and willing to save their kids? That mom was badass, no gun. LEOs are often parents, how could they abide such an order?
The LEOs would more than likely stun or shoot any armed parent heading in the school to save the kids.
They literally did tase a parent.
Some parents would prefer to take that gamble over living on with the knowledge that they weren't there for their kid. Ugh...the guilt some of these parents must be feeling...😪
"How many parents would have also died from gunshots?" with this mentality you are proving that you would have been perfectly content to wait in the parking lot until the "authorities" told you that it was safe to get your child (or identity their body).
Hell, you'd probably be thankful that those big, tough cops were there guarding that parking lot and keeping you "safe".
If it had been a number of parents emotionally trying to get to their kids while a shooter is roaming loose, there will be more victims. It also complicates a police response to try to sort out who the shooter is from all the people.
It's not a "mentality", it's reality. And if there are armed parents, will they get shot by police mistaking them for the shooter(s)? If the police are properly trained, they won't shoot a person unless they're a threat to them, but if there are multiple parents with guns, things get hairy very fast.
If the shooter is wearing a POLICE jacket, that also complicates things.
The "mentality" is trying to keep a bad situation from getting worse. We can all Thursday morning quarterback this all we want. How you respond in the middle of a firefight is another thing altogether.
You don't seem well educated on this subject... Do you realize that anyone at the scene could have been deputized on the spot and given a gun? And that there are numerous times in which this has actually taken place? The shooter confusion issue is real for the most incompetent police, I'll give you that, but just as you said... Most often, the quickest route to identify friend or foe is by who is shooting at you. When it comes down to it, it is all about who is willing to take the risks and do the work, and if you aren't, then get the hell out of the way. I'm pretty satisfied with my record in firefights now that you bring it up, and it's guys like me who rewrote those tactics. The tactics that were employed in this instance were incorrect and likely modified by someone with rank who had a much too risk-averse mindset. If you can't do the job, then you need to look for a different line of work.
I'm well familiar with this topic. I don't think you understand the power of insurance companies and lawyers to prevent this because of fear of being sued. They're the ones who dictate a lot of policy, regardless of what the people want.
If I had been deputized on the spot (and I wouldn't need to be asked), I'd volunteer. But then again, police wig out when people step up to willingly take a gun.
You make an excellent point about how averse we are as a society now that so many policy makers are perfectly happy to let others be hurt or killed as long as they can't sue...
I've shared this story before in a few substack threads, relating to the natural fear of each person to be more concerned with themselves than with collectively rising up and fighting an opponent, even when there is the risk of personal injury or death.
As a kids, I saw a bunch of mexican kids gang up on a korean kid in the late 70's. The Bruce Lee mythos was huge, and anybody with slanted eyes was believed to have amazing kung-fu powers. They ganged up on him, and the korean kid backed himself into a corner (smart!), thus forcing the collective group to be minimized to just the few who could fit in in front of him.
The interesting thing is that each of the mexican kids facing the korean kid individually tried to encourage a different mexican kid to take the first shot at him.
In the end, nobody threw a punch, and the mexican kids psyched themselves out on fear, rather than just ovewhelm the korean kid.
Individually, we tend to let someone else take the risk, and there are times when that no longer works if we expect to change lawless behavior.
I guess me and the deputies that I associated with were the exceptions. Things change for a lot of people when you start hearing the screams.
You seem to be very familiar with topic of what is being taught in areas that don't like the idea of people being armed and defending themselves and others. You have a great knowledge of policies developed and designed by people to avoid litigation, not to actually empower people to take control of their own personal safety and the safety of those in their charge.
I didn't say I agreed with them. I just understand how policy is made and it chaps my hide that we've been reduced to following policies by risk-adverse companies and lawyers, rather than deal with it appropriately in the moment.
The police wouldn't have been confused because they weren't inside.
When I went through our Sheriff's Academy in 2019, the policy had changed because it has become apparent that the paradigm has changed. These are no longer hostage situations and you can not expect the perpetrator/s to act rationally. We were instructed on newer, more tactically relavent procedures to disrupt these murderous plans...
Since Columbine the standard operating procedure is to rush the building because it's not a hostage situation where you can just chill outside.
Obviously stopping parents from going into the building wouldn't be necessary if the cops were doing their jobs. But if they're going to stand around outside, I can't fault any parent who disobeys and rushes in to get their kids. (As a couple did)
Edit: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html
The “stark and important” lessons learned from the Columbine response, which was widely criticized, may have helped save lives Wednesday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Gagliano said. Before the Colorado shooting, responding officers would set up a secure perimeter around the crime scene before even thinking about moving on the suspect.
In Parkland, authorities say Nikolas Cruz, 19, fatally shot 17 people at his former school before blending in with the students and staff rushing out of the school building. He was arrested in a neighboring community later in the day.
“Nowadays, what we do is go to the sound of the guns,” Gagliano said. “You get one, two, three, four people together. We’re trained. We use particular formations.”
Gagliano called it a “heterogeneous group” of first responders that could include local, state and federal agencies.
“You’re going to the sound of the guns,” he said. “The No. 1 goal is to interdict the shooter or shooters. In the old days, you took land. You went in. You clear the room. Then you slowly and methodically move to clear the next room. In this instance … get to the shooter as quickly as possible and that’s what they clearly did here.”
How many millions/billions of dollars flushed down the train to develop these SOPs and train these LEOs?! For what?!
Perhaps they didn't read the standard operating procedure here.
Why have a dedicated security team if they don't know what the fuck they are doing? This is why the people bleating 'WE NEED MORE SECURITY' are laughable.....if you hire incompetent cowards, no number of them will provide security.
Make those security guards mothers who have kids at the school and I bet the attitude is different.
Heh... "Home room mom's with heat" - coming to a school near you.
https://twitter.com/thrasherxy/status/1529667424928387072
This exact group had just done a walkthrough drill 3 months ago. The idea that they simply didn't know what to do is straining credibility.
Edit: Wow in my mind it's eternally 2020. They did the drill a couple years ago. Still enough time to know what's going on.
You know, they might have had more bang for their buck by showing kids the video "Run, Hide, Fight" by the city of Houston https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0
Since liberals are so intent on bringing kids into adult topics such as transgenderism, they shouldn't be against showing kids how a weapon works.
If nothing else, there's the kindergarden cop scenario: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMQADg1Dp9g except throw things at the perp, shove desks, use backpacks with books as shields. (They do carry books still, right?)
Naturally it's all the fault of the Republicans, because now the left suddenly cares about children again. Convenient.
The anguished cries of the parents is heart wrenching. I can't believe how many armed officers are standing around doing nothing but turning a deaf ear to the parents' frantic pleas. We are living in the Twilight Zone. It would be hard to believe if you didn't see it with your own eyes. I have a feeling these law enforcement officers are going to be tormented over this for the rest of their lives.
I hope they're tormented. They're monsters.
They weren't doing nothing. They were taking parents. Probably had it coming, complaining and all that.
No wonder people get suspicious about these things. At some point, where do you start doubting it's really incompetence.
On a less conspiracy driven note, these videos are the reason anyone talking gun control, even at this moment, isn't going to get very far. "The police will protect you" doesn't inspire much confidence when the police are cowards themselves. They waited for the SWAT team because they didn't want to get shot. Such brave men and women.
People aren't suspicious about this. Utterly in your face. We just don't know the details
Well, somebody better tell Republicans, since Cocaine Mitch told Cornyn to work w/ Democrats on gun control. More stupid laws for criminals to ignore.
How about harden schools? How about arming freaking teachers, since I guarantee they would have been willing to shoot the m-f'er.
Mitch McConnell has as much interest in disarming the populace as Schumer does. It's not a surprise. You can tell the politicians of the Uniparty and those that actually listen to voters, at least among the Republicans.
Reports said they were waiting for negotiators.
You don't wait for negotiators when you have an active fucking shooter.
Normal people wouldn't, but Texas did. We still haven't heard good reasons why.
The story I saw said they were waiting for SWAT, but either way . . .
There are no good reasons for waiting. Ranger Walker certainly wouldn't wait. And I wouldn't have. Lots of mythology about Texas. Apparently they're as neurotic as everyone else.
Saw another story about a (unarmed) mom, found a way inside, found her kids, escorted them out, WHILE THE POLICE WERE WAITING OUT FRONT! Not their finest hour.
I saw a clip where someone said they were afraid they would get shot, and said person was defending them. No, there is no excuse. He was one kid with a gun. They were grown, trained men with many guns and body armor. They had 12 minutes while he was outside the school and they didn't get there. And then once he was in the school, they didn't do anything. It took an off-duty CPD officer to rush in and kill him, or more children would have died. It's unacceptable, and the very reason I laugh at the idea that we should give up our guns because the "police will protect you." No, they won't, and people realize they won't.
The problem isn't the gun. The problem is cowardice: a party that won't "offend" by pulling kids like this young men off the street for psych evals (contrary to Abbott's claims, he showed plenty of signs of aggression and mental illness) and cowards that won't face him when he finally goes off and would rather let children die than risk getting shot themselves.