So it seems the Biden folk aren't happy that social media still can't fully censor away certain viewpoints they don't like. Perhaps their solution might be to assess penalties on those sites that allow such speech perhaps on a graduated scale of fines followed by DNS blocks for US DNS servers. The DNS is how how browsers traverse the web to display the site. Experts can get around such blocks but the masses will be confused.
I do hope my fears of manipulation of the coming election remain just fears, yet it's hard to explain why the Biden people are so tone deaf to their opposition. Clearly a change in Congress would doom such a proposal so why does Biden delivery such a speech? And for those cheering the notion, will they be happy to achieve a one-party state that could be subject to Jefferson's statement about the "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." (https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/tree-liberty-quotation/). Jefferson points out how democracy ends via ignoring his 23 points https://www.quotesgeeks.com/thomas-jefferson-quotes-about-democracy/. We are a long way from an informed electorate when couch potato's can bubble in votes for government bribers.
The constant braying about loss of democracy suggests projection, again. For some, discussing the various weaknesses and failures of the 2020 election implies disputing the result. For most, regardless of the result, it's done. But we do need trust that our votes do matter and are fairly treated. Not that corrupt companies or corrupt election officials are allowed to affect the vote.
Do you rememeber in the eighties when it was the Tories what went after music, comic books, art and movies and TV?
Or Mary Whitehouse? Talk about uniting extremes, the way she had old-school anglicans and radfem lesbians both crying for a total ban on any and all things they deemed pornographic.
Democracy has become synonymous with whatever the Democrats are currently in favor of. Same seems to go for racism and fascism being everything they are opposed to. Changing the language to fit your narrative and policies doesn't seem like a good plan for anyone who's not on the wagon with them.
They have castrated the word "hate" just as they did with the term "white supremacist." And "terrorist."
It just doesn't mean what it used to. And it's sad. Because hate does exist. And if the person who spray-painted "hate" onto the stop signs in my neighborhood, and the Prius drivers with the "resist hate" bumper stickers, can redefine that word-- well, apparently they haven't grown up past the thirteen year old who shouts "I HATE you" at her parents. And that thirteen year old is definitely not equipped to become acquainted with some of the real horrors in this world, or work to defend anyone against them.
And the day that someone comes into power who decides that the true purveyors of "hate" are those who have "Resist hate" bumper stickers and yard signs-- will they then be like the rich property owners in Martha's Vineyard (to piggyback off your last post) who STILL don't get it?
I think the problem is bad faith actors weaponizing disinformation to manipulate the trusting and unaware masses into emboldening individuals, activities, and movements that ultimately work against our best interests individually and the interests of America as a whole. Do you believe that social media should be able to be weaponized through deception and manipulation to ultimately empower these entities of unrepentant malice? If leaving social media the way it is now allows for these things to happen, how would you suggest dealing with this issue that wouldn’t be also encroaching on the freedom of speech?
"Do you believe that social media should be able to be weaponized through deception and manipulation to ultimately empower these entities of unrepentant malice?"
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I believe this is WAY more likely when government has the ability to control what's said online.
That’s a paradox, isn’t it? If the government can’t regulate what’s being said in public sectors of the internet, then anyone at all will have free rein to obfuscate reality however they see fit, and then pass that deception on to whomever is unlucky enough to get caught up in its disinformation. This can ruin a person personally but potentially could even be engineered to the detriment of the entire nation. Social Media is being weaponized by hostile entities to spread disinformation and sow discord. You want these entities to be allowed to continue information warfare against the United States because that outcome would be better than the government censoring some internet speech? Russia using Facebook or Instagram to manipulate how Americans feel about, say, the Ukraine/Russian war is fine as long as the government allows the public to type racially belligerent rants on the internet?
They only seem willing to patrol one side, that's the bigger issue. It shouldn't be a cesspool of hatred, but kicking the President off of twitter while letting terrorists use it freely says a lot about how "dangerous" information is handled.
Please show me an example of the right being patrolled on a topic but the left wasn’t also patrolled on the same topic.
Twitter kicking Trump off the platform wasn’t the government. It was twitter, which is a privately-owned company. And since the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are people, too, Twitter has every right to do whatever it wants with its own company.
Which terrorists are allowed to terrorize freely by twitter?
While I understand the direness of the situation, I can't help but think that the tech companies have done everything the Democrats want, and they're still going to lose their "immunity." If I have to find a silver lining, that little bit of irony makes me smile.
Never trust a hippie. Or a druggie. Or a breathless man offering to sell you something, cash in hand only no receipt and could you hurry up with the cash please?
But it would be nice if the Zuckerbergs and Bezoses and sundry would get their just commieuppance.
Facebook has been spying on the private messages and data of American users and reporting them to the FBI if they express anti-government or anti-authority sentiments — or question the 2020 election — according to sources within the Department of Justice.
Under the FBI collaboration operation, somebody at Facebook red-flagged these supposedly subversive private messages over the past 19 months and transmitted them in redacted form to the domestic terrorism operational unit at FBI headquarters in Washington, DC, without a subpoena.
“It was done outside the legal process and without probable cause,” alleged one of the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
“Facebook provides the FBI with private conversations which are protected by the First Amendment without any subpoena.”
These private messages then have been farmed out as “leads” to FBI field offices around the country, which subsequently requested subpoenas from the partner US Attorney’s Office in their district to officially obtain the private conversations that Facebook already had shown them.
But when the targeted Facebook users were investigated by agents in a local FBI field office, sometimes using covert surveillance techniques, nothing criminal or violent turned up.
Face spying on its users, who all approved their right to do so, is not the problem. The problem infecting our society is the fascistic collaboration of media with corrupt government, and public tolerance of fascism. No society can survive that. The purpose of the 1st Amendment -- the reason it's first -- is to guard against tyranny. When the population ignores that corruption, their doom is assured.
We're beginning to withhold that tolerance. Maybe it's not too late.
“These claims are just wrong. The suggestion we seek out peoples’ private messages for anti-government language or questions about the validity of past elections and then proactively supply those to the FBI is plainly inaccurate and there is zero evidence to support it,”
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Note the way they word this. They don't 'seek out' private messages because the process is likely automated until it's kicked up to a human.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend Facebook's right to send armed IRS agents to steal all of your possessions and then issue a death edict if you demand to say it.
For them, that's a feature, not a bug. It's our foreign policy (as stated by Ron Paul) brought home -- Do what we want and we will give you money; Don't do what we want and we will destroy you.
I think the past 25 years of government "magnanimity" have proven that their calls for accountability are nothing more than a plea to be thrown into "da briar patch".
A doctrine of black supremacy is as dangerous as a doctrine of white supremacy. God is not interested in the freedom of black men or brown men or yellow men. God is interested in the freedom of the whole human race, the creation of a society where every man will respect the dignity and worth of personality.
— Martin Luther King Jr., Speech at the Southern Methodist University, March 17, 1966.
And I understand this is an MLK quote. I’m just not sure he’s using it the way you are. He wouldn’t understand the recent political charge the term “woke” has recently adopted and CRT would just be three letters to him.
If he had said it today, or rather, tweeted it, I guess, do you think he would have been cancelled? Makes me want a Twitter account (just kidding). Best
Several years ago, a swedish politician read the swedish translation of the MLK speech when he speaks about the negro and the white man and so on. He was harshly scolded for being racist and white supremacist. When it was revealed that it was the very famous MLK speech? >crickets and tumbleweed<
He did this to highlight both the rampant hypocrisy that is all kinds of liberalism as well as the ignorance that is every progressive and radicals' hallmark.
VERY FRIGHTENED!! There is no time for resting on our laurels. It has become way to easy to just say…..oh this is ok or that is ok, this is America and we can speak about things the way we want to. But, it’s when we all of a sudden find ourselves hesitating about shooting from the hip (which I do all the time when I get mad) and saying exactly what I want. Lately, though, I’ve actually thought that oh my God, I’m low hanging fruit and it would be very easy for some government agency to just shut me up. I mean, I’m nobody but that’s what I mean. I think we’ve come to a point that we might put a governor on ourselves before some run-a-muck government agency tells us to and intimidates us one by one to just shut up and they wouldn’t even have to raise a hand. I think our freedoms are slowly slipping away by intimidation……it’s in the ether. If someone wants to talk me off my ledge, feel free but it is a gut feeling, intuition.
Ryan……oh, God , you made me break out in laughter………a foxhole, you say……..I want all of my guns at the ready. Yeah, I’ll keep being me but that’s the problem. I tell you what, I’ll start digging just in case.
Ryan, I agree with you. And, yeah, I’m resolute too but that, again, is not a good look for me. Sometimes I hear this raving loon screaming and then I realize it’s me. I really wish I like the taste of hard liquor.
It is looking dark and threatening into late September. Please stay as safe as possible everyone. Lots of bad juju but stay with the light. They will lose. Thanks.
I don't recall social media companies using the bully pulpit to label half the country fascists
So it seems the Biden folk aren't happy that social media still can't fully censor away certain viewpoints they don't like. Perhaps their solution might be to assess penalties on those sites that allow such speech perhaps on a graduated scale of fines followed by DNS blocks for US DNS servers. The DNS is how how browsers traverse the web to display the site. Experts can get around such blocks but the masses will be confused.
I do hope my fears of manipulation of the coming election remain just fears, yet it's hard to explain why the Biden people are so tone deaf to their opposition. Clearly a change in Congress would doom such a proposal so why does Biden delivery such a speech? And for those cheering the notion, will they be happy to achieve a one-party state that could be subject to Jefferson's statement about the "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." (https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/tree-liberty-quotation/). Jefferson points out how democracy ends via ignoring his 23 points https://www.quotesgeeks.com/thomas-jefferson-quotes-about-democracy/. We are a long way from an informed electorate when couch potato's can bubble in votes for government bribers.
The constant braying about loss of democracy suggests projection, again. For some, discussing the various weaknesses and failures of the 2020 election implies disputing the result. For most, regardless of the result, it's done. But we do need trust that our votes do matter and are fairly treated. Not that corrupt companies or corrupt election officials are allowed to affect the vote.
I’m in the UK and the left (Labour voters or the great unwashed as we call them) love to talk about censoring speech they don’t like.
Now they’re crying because a few people who had placards saying “not my king” are being arrested (which I don’t agree with.)
Funny how they’re now crying about free speech now.
Do you rememeber in the eighties when it was the Tories what went after music, comic books, art and movies and TV?
Or Mary Whitehouse? Talk about uniting extremes, the way she had old-school anglicans and radfem lesbians both crying for a total ban on any and all things they deemed pornographic.
How the wurm turns.
Democracy has become synonymous with whatever the Democrats are currently in favor of. Same seems to go for racism and fascism being everything they are opposed to. Changing the language to fit your narrative and policies doesn't seem like a good plan for anyone who's not on the wagon with them.
They have castrated the word "hate" just as they did with the term "white supremacist." And "terrorist."
It just doesn't mean what it used to. And it's sad. Because hate does exist. And if the person who spray-painted "hate" onto the stop signs in my neighborhood, and the Prius drivers with the "resist hate" bumper stickers, can redefine that word-- well, apparently they haven't grown up past the thirteen year old who shouts "I HATE you" at her parents. And that thirteen year old is definitely not equipped to become acquainted with some of the real horrors in this world, or work to defend anyone against them.
And the day that someone comes into power who decides that the true purveyors of "hate" are those who have "Resist hate" bumper stickers and yard signs-- will they then be like the rich property owners in Martha's Vineyard (to piggyback off your last post) who STILL don't get it?
I think the problem is bad faith actors weaponizing disinformation to manipulate the trusting and unaware masses into emboldening individuals, activities, and movements that ultimately work against our best interests individually and the interests of America as a whole. Do you believe that social media should be able to be weaponized through deception and manipulation to ultimately empower these entities of unrepentant malice? If leaving social media the way it is now allows for these things to happen, how would you suggest dealing with this issue that wouldn’t be also encroaching on the freedom of speech?
"Do you believe that social media should be able to be weaponized through deception and manipulation to ultimately empower these entities of unrepentant malice?"
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I believe this is WAY more likely when government has the ability to control what's said online.
That’s a paradox, isn’t it? If the government can’t regulate what’s being said in public sectors of the internet, then anyone at all will have free rein to obfuscate reality however they see fit, and then pass that deception on to whomever is unlucky enough to get caught up in its disinformation. This can ruin a person personally but potentially could even be engineered to the detriment of the entire nation. Social Media is being weaponized by hostile entities to spread disinformation and sow discord. You want these entities to be allowed to continue information warfare against the United States because that outcome would be better than the government censoring some internet speech? Russia using Facebook or Instagram to manipulate how Americans feel about, say, the Ukraine/Russian war is fine as long as the government allows the public to type racially belligerent rants on the internet?
They only seem willing to patrol one side, that's the bigger issue. It shouldn't be a cesspool of hatred, but kicking the President off of twitter while letting terrorists use it freely says a lot about how "dangerous" information is handled.
Please show me an example of the right being patrolled on a topic but the left wasn’t also patrolled on the same topic.
Twitter kicking Trump off the platform wasn’t the government. It was twitter, which is a privately-owned company. And since the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are people, too, Twitter has every right to do whatever it wants with its own company.
Which terrorists are allowed to terrorize freely by twitter?
Those white supremacists sure are useful. They on't even need to show any comparative facts, or any facts at all.
Maybe because it would show that white supremacists cause virtually zero crime. Now, about those BLM, Antifas, crick naggers, and sundry...
While I understand the direness of the situation, I can't help but think that the tech companies have done everything the Democrats want, and they're still going to lose their "immunity." If I have to find a silver lining, that little bit of irony makes me smile.
Never trust a hippie. Or a druggie. Or a breathless man offering to sell you something, cash in hand only no receipt and could you hurry up with the cash please?
But it would be nice if the Zuckerbergs and Bezoses and sundry would get their just commieuppance.
"commieuppance" . . . clever.
Surprise!
So, either substack's days are numbered, or rhe dems' days are numbered. We can't have both.
The entire apparatus needs to go. I sort of buried the link, but FB admitted to spying on users and reporting those who 'denied' the 2020 election.
Imagine Trump doing that to mainstream Democrats after 2016. Seriously, imagine the reaction for a full minute.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/facebook-spied-on-private-messages-of-americans-who-questioned-2020-election/
Facebook has been spying on the private messages and data of American users and reporting them to the FBI if they express anti-government or anti-authority sentiments — or question the 2020 election — according to sources within the Department of Justice.
Under the FBI collaboration operation, somebody at Facebook red-flagged these supposedly subversive private messages over the past 19 months and transmitted them in redacted form to the domestic terrorism operational unit at FBI headquarters in Washington, DC, without a subpoena.
“It was done outside the legal process and without probable cause,” alleged one of the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
“Facebook provides the FBI with private conversations which are protected by the First Amendment without any subpoena.”
These private messages then have been farmed out as “leads” to FBI field offices around the country, which subsequently requested subpoenas from the partner US Attorney’s Office in their district to officially obtain the private conversations that Facebook already had shown them.
But when the targeted Facebook users were investigated by agents in a local FBI field office, sometimes using covert surveillance techniques, nothing criminal or violent turned up.
Face spying on its users, who all approved their right to do so, is not the problem. The problem infecting our society is the fascistic collaboration of media with corrupt government, and public tolerance of fascism. No society can survive that. The purpose of the 1st Amendment -- the reason it's first -- is to guard against tyranny. When the population ignores that corruption, their doom is assured.
We're beginning to withhold that tolerance. Maybe it's not too late.
Another part of the article:
“These claims are just wrong. The suggestion we seek out peoples’ private messages for anti-government language or questions about the validity of past elections and then proactively supply those to the FBI is plainly inaccurate and there is zero evidence to support it,”
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Note the way they word this. They don't 'seek out' private messages because the process is likely automated until it's kicked up to a human.
Automation is done by humans, too. Humans wrote the code to expedite their policies. Those same humans lied to defend their corrupt practices.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend Facebook's right to send armed IRS agents to steal all of your possessions and then issue a death edict if you demand to say it.
--Comrade Biden, 2023, probably
Oh, God!
"Social media immunity"! We seem to be addicted to immunity these days. But if a government can confer immunity, it can also take it away.
For them, that's a feature, not a bug. It's our foreign policy (as stated by Ron Paul) brought home -- Do what we want and we will give you money; Don't do what we want and we will destroy you.
I think the past 25 years of government "magnanimity" have proven that their calls for accountability are nothing more than a plea to be thrown into "da briar patch".
SimCom….I’m on my ledge
I checked it out a couple days ago....the view is excellent! I'd get some drink holders up there, though.
Oh, God, everybody has got their funny bone going today. Here, all I want to do is jump and all I’m doing is laughing.
A doctrine of black supremacy is as dangerous as a doctrine of white supremacy. God is not interested in the freedom of black men or brown men or yellow men. God is interested in the freedom of the whole human race, the creation of a society where every man will respect the dignity and worth of personality.
— Martin Luther King Jr., Speech at the Southern Methodist University, March 17, 1966.
And I understand this is an MLK quote. I’m just not sure he’s using it the way you are. He wouldn’t understand the recent political charge the term “woke” has recently adopted and CRT would just be three letters to him.
Are you certain that what you describe as “black supremacy” isn’t really a bid for “black equality”?
It's not my quote it's MLK's.
Note my response to your saying it’s an MLK quote being written as you responded to me.
yes i meant to respond to you. I cannot comment because it is not my words. I do not know what MLK meant.
Sounds like a really dangerous right-wing extremist. Must have been some christian het-cis guy, right?
If he had said it today, or rather, tweeted it, I guess, do you think he would have been cancelled? Makes me want a Twitter account (just kidding). Best
Several years ago, a swedish politician read the swedish translation of the MLK speech when he speaks about the negro and the white man and so on. He was harshly scolded for being racist and white supremacist. When it was revealed that it was the very famous MLK speech? >crickets and tumbleweed<
He did this to highlight both the rampant hypocrisy that is all kinds of liberalism as well as the ignorance that is every progressive and radicals' hallmark.
Wow, fantastic quote. I'm screen-capping that one!
I guess he did not really get away with saying it, but
at least the quote has survived. I too had forgotten it,
it seems to get 'glossed over' on MLK day etc!?! . best-
VERY FRIGHTENED!! There is no time for resting on our laurels. It has become way to easy to just say…..oh this is ok or that is ok, this is America and we can speak about things the way we want to. But, it’s when we all of a sudden find ourselves hesitating about shooting from the hip (which I do all the time when I get mad) and saying exactly what I want. Lately, though, I’ve actually thought that oh my God, I’m low hanging fruit and it would be very easy for some government agency to just shut me up. I mean, I’m nobody but that’s what I mean. I think we’ve come to a point that we might put a governor on ourselves before some run-a-muck government agency tells us to and intimidates us one by one to just shut up and they wouldn’t even have to raise a hand. I think our freedoms are slowly slipping away by intimidation……it’s in the ether. If someone wants to talk me off my ledge, feel free but it is a gut feeling, intuition.
YOU KEEP BEING YOU!
We ARE in a battle. I'll take you in a foxhole any day.
Ryan……oh, God , you made me break out in laughter………a foxhole, you say……..I want all of my guns at the ready. Yeah, I’ll keep being me but that’s the problem. I tell you what, I’ll start digging just in case.
Denise -
I'm just at the point in my life where I don't care anymore.
We are facing complete ruin if this nonsense goes on much longer.
What do we have to lose?
Ryan, I agree with you. And, yeah, I’m resolute too but that, again, is not a good look for me. Sometimes I hear this raving loon screaming and then I realize it’s me. I really wish I like the taste of hard liquor.
Oh God. Don't talk about booze anymore.
For the last 12 years my wife and I have done a zero booze September.
I proposed that as a sign of solidarity when we found out she was pregnant.
Somehow it's become an annual deal. I'm trying to figure out how to "bend" the rules...but she knows everything!
Yet, again,……….laughing
This is exactly what they're hoping for. But I don't worry, there are plenty of people who need to be disappeared before they get to little old me. ;)
Well, you made me smile and chuckle….thanks
It is looking dark and threatening into late September. Please stay as safe as possible everyone. Lots of bad juju but stay with the light. They will lose. Thanks.
Awesome friggin quote. Never heard that one before!
Edit: the first quote...although the one by Washington is awesome too!