Fun update to the Portland case from last night -- turns out the people who ran from the police WERE gang members and not the most valued members of the community. Oops.
Yeah, big surprise. Tren de Aragua. MSM: Just kids from next door. It’s getting so ridiculous I’m leaning into Scott Adams’s simulation theory more and more.
To be this bold and arrogant and to think that they could antagonize anyone let alone 8 federal Armed agents and think that there are no consequences is beyond ignorant. To think the lives of these agents are worth nothing but yet there life is more precious because of there children . Clearly they are not responsible enough to have children or there dog. They are a clear and present danger to themselves and our society.
quickie question: does anyone else get texts from the democrat party?
I do... apparently my name is "Terrence"
Anyway, I get numerous texts from Tim Walz and and also that Mike Kelly begging for money.
Today I got a text for No Kings Day: The third NO KINGS DAY is almost here! If you want first-to-know alerts, RSVP now and join the pre-launch team! >> forwardblue.us/l/uW2ZEY
Probably time and place to get your $$$$ housing and printed signs
My heart goes out to that officer. They are trying to do a Floyd job on him. Watch body cam videos on YT and see what our LEOs have to deal with on a daily basis. He did nothing wrong. All you have to do is comply. Have an issue with a ticket or arrest? That is what court is for. Be polite and comply. They didn’t want to. If it is true her mental case friend got out right before to film, they planned that encounter to get likes.
I'm sick and tired of all you people being logical, making sense, and citing case law. Progressives are always right, no matter what, and that's that. If you don't believe me, ask AOC.
You are all shitlords, I follow this really informed guy who lives in the ayahuasca camps of Brazil, but he he's been staying in Minneapolis for the last week and you are all Zionist weenies for believing any other source on this...
Are you referring to RFK Jr? According to recent reports in the New York Post it's ayahuasca's main active ingredient, DMT, that Bobby smokes regularly? It doesn't surprise me that he might have spent time in the ayahuasca camps of Brazil. Was Casey Means there too, or Elon? I guess smoking DMT is a step up from injecting heroin, which he did when he was a Demonrat. Now that Bobby is a Repugnicant all he injects is testosterone. I think, as a Repugnicant, he gets it as a flesh injection, injected orally, with protein, direct from Albert Bourla whose mRNA shots he's still rolling out.
No, actually it was a tongue in cheek reference to some podcaster guy that I was told I should listen to by a guy I'm not talking to anymore because I am too right wing for him and I was totally distorting the ayahuasca thing for giggles... I did not mean to imply any actual people of relevance in the joke.
I can only assume that you are not only a Constitutionalist who routinely exercises the sacred right to be sodomised, granted to you by the Founding Fathers, as determined by the SCOTUS in Lawrence v Texas but also one who partakes in the same Buttigiegesque oral flesh injections as Bobby does when he fellating Bourla like all good Repugnicunts do.
First shot was straight through the windshield and into her head, and that is (if the sources I read were accurate, of course) the shot that killed her. The other two shots *turn out* to have been unnecessary, which is not me saying they were unwarranted.
Absolutely. Not saying that he shouldn't have fired them, that's pure post shooting analysis on my part with plenty of time to look at everything. In fact I'll go ahead and explicitly state that he did the right thing in making those two extra shots.
We just got back from a bar where they were playing ABC News on the TV. The coverage was a live scene of “protests” in Minneapolis.
The cameraman was panning the “crowd”. He abruptly jerked the camera back to the middle when he reached the edge of the group. Clearly not much of a “crowd”. The cameraman thereafter stayed center, no more panning. It was hilarious.
I wonder just how much appetite for protesting and impeding ICE activities there would be in Minneapolis without astroturfed, paid (and often imported) protestors.
Just the fact that nutty liberal women in costumes go out day after day to confront ICE proves they don’t really believe it’s a Gestapo. Do they think they would be able to behave this way, go home, and come back the next day to do it again would be allowed if they were dealing with the Gestapo?
Their own actions prove their premise is ludicrous.
Or that they are so woefully ignorant of history that they have truly been convinced that the real Gestapo would have been stopped by their “brave” actions.
FYI: You just beat Matt Taibbi to it. Unfortunately for me it's paywalled but I would be very grateful if you might give me your viewpoint on the viewpoint of the retired cop Serrano he interviewed who is very harsh on the ICE agent (while regarding Good as culpable too). The full discussion is below the paywall. I often don't agree with Taibbi's perspectives and he may have chosen his interviewee because of them.
Too many arm chair LEOs knowing what they would do in that situation. Most of us have no idea what LEOs face every single day. In a split second situation, a non-LEO has no idea what they would do.
I usually do like Taibbi's stuff but did not like this one at all in part because of Serrano's input. He was speaking with an authority that was not justified. He might, or might not, be qualified as an expert witness on the topic of use of lethal force by a law enforcement officer, but all he could do is testify as to his opinion. The jury or judge sitting as the finder of fact makes the decision. And I really did not like MTs position that the anti-immigration faction is [credible]. The law is the law. Only Congress can change immigration law and they do not appear to understand that.
Not sure exactly which part of it you read but it seems reasonable to me. Good shouldn't have been there. The cop shouldn't have been in front of the car (though originally he was approaching from the side).
If you were able to read that far, I disagree with the idea that the cop put himself in danger on purpose as some sort of flex.
Given that the cell video you showed has him coming around the other side, well, you're probably right that being in front of the car was a tactical error, and from here on out there will quite likely be a briefing (if there hasn't been already) telling them to not do that. But sometimes you have to go from point A to point B.
"The ICE officer in Serrano’s view however violated a more fundamental rule.
“Someone trained this cop wrong,” he said. “He walked in front of the car. Never should you ever stand in front of a car. You don’t walk behind the trunk, because they put it in reverse, they crush you. In front, they put it in drive and run you over. Who’s going to win, you or the car? Not you. This guy, I think he was asking for it, like, ‘I dare you to try to run me over so I can shoot you.’”
His summation was brutal:" [continues after paywall]
That was the part I disagreed with the most, other than that he was pretty good.
I would point out that if cars are regarded as such dangerous objects that police shouldn't walk in front or behind them, it's easy to see why the officer reacted the way that he did.
I don’t think the officer should be prosecuted (and he won’t be), and if he were I’d want him acquitted based on the “totality of the circumstances” (and the law SimCom cites here) … but between you, me, and the grand piano, I don’t think this shooting was really necessary.
The legal justification rests, I believe, on self-defense for just that moment when the vehicle was in motion toward the officer; he had dozens of his colleagues around to deal with all the other concerns and implications if Good had gotten past him and driven away.
So for that second or less of time, which course of action by the officer had the higher probability of keeping him safe: firing his weapon (could that really be expected to stop the car in the relevant frame of time and distance?), or just trying to move out of its path? To me, it’s the latter.
The new video, which was what the officer himself had just seen, while it demonstrates that wife & wife here were exactly the people for which “FAFO” was coined, also does not in my eyes show the driver as someone with an appearance of murderous intent. How much of what the officer was feeling when Good took off was genuine fear as opposed to just having had it up to here with these entitled numbskulls?
Anyway, that’s how I feel. I’m on his side as regards possible prosecution, and when the inevitable lawsuit happens I’ll probably still think it should fail. But to me he wasn’t really compelled to shoot.
I mean, it's nice to get to evaluate these things over the course of days while sitting on my couch or at my computer, but one has to keep in mind that the person who suddenly had 5000 lbs of car coming at them had rather less.
It's been reported that the ICE agent who fired his weapon had recovered from being hit and drug by a car on a previous assignment and required 33 stitches in his leg. So, he's been injured by a protester using their vehicle as a weapon.
I saw that report. In terms of his subjective state of mind, we can plug that in however we like: how much did the prior encounter increase his genuine fear, as opposed to feelings of hostility?
Legally it’s of limited relevance, I’d say. His conduct will be weighed against some version of the “reasonable person” standard that, at least in the first analysis, doesn’t take his personal history into account.
Yes. The facts is the facts. And the law is the law.
Also a fact: people often bring their own doom upon themselves and are culpable for the consequences.
I am obviously still alive, but I could reasonably have been dead ten times over, the idiotic things I did throughout my gormless youth. (And that youth lasted a long time too.) It would've been sad if I'd ended up killed or grievously harmed because of any of my unfortunate choices but I would most certainly have been responsible for having put myself in all sorts of harm's way.
I am not in the mood to spend the next couple of hours thinking about all of the stupid stuff I have done, and still wonder why I am still here. seriously!
I am so lucky my kid never needed that admonition- he was born 60 years old and always looked at me and my life choices a bit askance. He still thinks I'm a bit slow, lol.
However, my dad used to say that to me tho and never really elucidated what he meant by that. I knew a lot about his life up to his army years in the mid 50's, and of course know about him marrying mom in '62 and getting his master's in education, but there's about 6 years I know nothing about other than he was a motorhead and probably running with a 'fast' crowd. Maybe if he'd opened up a bit, I could have been able to relate more?
I've never figured out how I managed to give birth to such a rational child as I did but I felt I had to do my duty nevertheless and the now unhusband was furious at me for being so frank.
Fun update to the Portland case from last night -- turns out the people who ran from the police WERE gang members and not the most valued members of the community. Oops.
https://x.com/ORSenateGOP/status/2009777442567979109
I'm sure the mayor will be along with an updated statement shortly.
Yeah, big surprise. Tren de Aragua. MSM: Just kids from next door. It’s getting so ridiculous I’m leaning into Scott Adams’s simulation theory more and more.
Excuse me, SimCom? Those two ARE the most valued members of the community! We can tell by all the gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands!
Somewhat similar item from the Twin Cities. This happened on Dec. 21, ICE says.
"Cuban National Charged with Assaulting Federal Officers with a Dangerous Weapon
Rodriguez Struck an ICE Officer with his Car, Bit Another Agent’s Hand"
https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/pr/cuban-national-charged-assaulting-federal-officers-dangerous-weapon
I don't think there will be riots. The person shot was the wrong color.
Just wanted to share some of her poetry Kirche was featuring some on her current show:
https://youtu.be/AYi0AH_qNM0?t=2061
Makes Nancy Millstone Jennings read like Tennyson...
To be this bold and arrogant and to think that they could antagonize anyone let alone 8 federal Armed agents and think that there are no consequences is beyond ignorant. To think the lives of these agents are worth nothing but yet there life is more precious because of there children . Clearly they are not responsible enough to have children or there dog. They are a clear and present danger to themselves and our society.
quickie question: does anyone else get texts from the democrat party?
I do... apparently my name is "Terrence"
Anyway, I get numerous texts from Tim Walz and and also that Mike Kelly begging for money.
Today I got a text for No Kings Day: The third NO KINGS DAY is almost here! If you want first-to-know alerts, RSVP now and join the pre-launch team! >> forwardblue.us/l/uW2ZEY
Probably time and place to get your $$$$ housing and printed signs
This is part of the network.
It's been awhile, but I remember getting something from them. I do remember if it was text or email. I blocked them.
I'd think about getting money from them though. Better in my hands than theirs.
My heart goes out to that officer. They are trying to do a Floyd job on him. Watch body cam videos on YT and see what our LEOs have to deal with on a daily basis. He did nothing wrong. All you have to do is comply. Have an issue with a ticket or arrest? That is what court is for. Be polite and comply. They didn’t want to. If it is true her mental case friend got out right before to film, they planned that encounter to get likes.
I liked what happened.
I'm sick and tired of all you people being logical, making sense, and citing case law. Progressives are always right, no matter what, and that's that. If you don't believe me, ask AOC.
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Yes, you are right… lol
You are WRONG. You Foxnews, bigot, intolerant hater. You are just a Karen. I’m better than you.
You are all shitlords, I follow this really informed guy who lives in the ayahuasca camps of Brazil, but he he's been staying in Minneapolis for the last week and you are all Zionist weenies for believing any other source on this...
Are you referring to RFK Jr? According to recent reports in the New York Post it's ayahuasca's main active ingredient, DMT, that Bobby smokes regularly? It doesn't surprise me that he might have spent time in the ayahuasca camps of Brazil. Was Casey Means there too, or Elon? I guess smoking DMT is a step up from injecting heroin, which he did when he was a Demonrat. Now that Bobby is a Repugnicant all he injects is testosterone. I think, as a Repugnicant, he gets it as a flesh injection, injected orally, with protein, direct from Albert Bourla whose mRNA shots he's still rolling out.
repugnicant a good one…
No, actually it was a tongue in cheek reference to some podcaster guy that I was told I should listen to by a guy I'm not talking to anymore because I am too right wing for him and I was totally distorting the ayahuasca thing for giggles... I did not mean to imply any actual people of relevance in the joke.
Of course, the dickhead who answered you was doing the usual…
I can only assume that you are not only a Constitutionalist who routinely exercises the sacred right to be sodomised, granted to you by the Founding Fathers, as determined by the SCOTUS in Lawrence v Texas but also one who partakes in the same Buttigiegesque oral flesh injections as Bobby does when he fellating Bourla like all good Repugnicunts do.
Thank you! Excellent work. TGIF
Enjoy your Friday! Glad you liked it.
Great analysis
I try to convey the information as quickly as possible so you can do better things with your day.
Meanwhile......millions of $$$ are transferred to Swiss banks....
“Wolves hold moment of silence for woman killed by ICE officer” a martyr in the making.
Do we know which shot incapacitated her?
First shot was straight through the windshield and into her head, and that is (if the sources I read were accurate, of course) the shot that killed her. The other two shots *turn out* to have been unnecessary, which is not me saying they were unwarranted.
Thanks for this info
In the moment it may have been hard to determine
Absolutely. Not saying that he shouldn't have fired them, that's pure post shooting analysis on my part with plenty of time to look at everything. In fact I'll go ahead and explicitly state that he did the right thing in making those two extra shots.
Might be worth mentioning that in my research I found that many police department train "quick succession bursts", specifically citing this case.
Absolutely. Hell, it's what I would have done too.
Yea I get it. I wonder if that is taken into account when adjudicated.
I don't see how it couldn't be. Depends on the charges and jury of course, I suppose.
Agree. Hope you’re right
Not as far as I know.
We just got back from a bar where they were playing ABC News on the TV. The coverage was a live scene of “protests” in Minneapolis.
The cameraman was panning the “crowd”. He abruptly jerked the camera back to the middle when he reached the edge of the group. Clearly not much of a “crowd”. The cameraman thereafter stayed center, no more panning. It was hilarious.
I wonder just how much appetite for protesting and impeding ICE activities there would be in Minneapolis without astroturfed, paid (and often imported) protestors.
Just the fact that nutty liberal women in costumes go out day after day to confront ICE proves they don’t really believe it’s a Gestapo. Do they think they would be able to behave this way, go home, and come back the next day to do it again would be allowed if they were dealing with the Gestapo?
Their own actions prove their premise is ludicrous.
Or that they are so woefully ignorant of history that they have truly been convinced that the real Gestapo would have been stopped by their “brave” actions.
Yes...I noticed that.
Yep. Media coverage is always slanted, that's why I like to watch for myself.
it is like watching comedy
FYI: You just beat Matt Taibbi to it. Unfortunately for me it's paywalled but I would be very grateful if you might give me your viewpoint on the viewpoint of the retired cop Serrano he interviewed who is very harsh on the ICE agent (while regarding Good as culpable too). The full discussion is below the paywall. I often don't agree with Taibbi's perspectives and he may have chosen his interviewee because of them.
Too many arm chair LEOs knowing what they would do in that situation. Most of us have no idea what LEOs face every single day. In a split second situation, a non-LEO has no idea what they would do.
I think eugyppius nailed it here:
https://x.com/eugyppius1/status/2009700511000473645
The man is not wrong...
I usually do like Taibbi's stuff but did not like this one at all in part because of Serrano's input. He was speaking with an authority that was not justified. He might, or might not, be qualified as an expert witness on the topic of use of lethal force by a law enforcement officer, but all he could do is testify as to his opinion. The jury or judge sitting as the finder of fact makes the decision. And I really did not like MTs position that the anti-immigration faction is [credible]. The law is the law. Only Congress can change immigration law and they do not appear to understand that.
You sum it up perfectly.
Not sure exactly which part of it you read but it seems reasonable to me. Good shouldn't have been there. The cop shouldn't have been in front of the car (though originally he was approaching from the side).
If you were able to read that far, I disagree with the idea that the cop put himself in danger on purpose as some sort of flex.
Someone on substack somewhere summed it up very well.
The officer may have made a tactical error.
The driver committed a violent felony.
Given that the cell video you showed has him coming around the other side, well, you're probably right that being in front of the car was a tactical error, and from here on out there will quite likely be a briefing (if there hasn't been already) telling them to not do that. But sometimes you have to go from point A to point B.
Yup.
"The ICE officer in Serrano’s view however violated a more fundamental rule.
“Someone trained this cop wrong,” he said. “He walked in front of the car. Never should you ever stand in front of a car. You don’t walk behind the trunk, because they put it in reverse, they crush you. In front, they put it in drive and run you over. Who’s going to win, you or the car? Not you. This guy, I think he was asking for it, like, ‘I dare you to try to run me over so I can shoot you.’”
His summation was brutal:" [continues after paywall]
I agree you don't stand in front of the car but I don't think that was the intention, and I certainly don't think he did it as a flex.
That's why I'm so interested in having your perspective on the rest of his "brutal" analysis.
well, she should not have driven into him, so there is that.
Problem is that's irrelevant to what the Dems intend to do about it.
That was the part I disagreed with the most, other than that he was pretty good.
I would point out that if cars are regarded as such dangerous objects that police shouldn't walk in front or behind them, it's easy to see why the officer reacted the way that he did.
OK. But I still don't know why Taibbi regards Serrano's further thoughts as a brutal indictment of the ICE officer.
I don’t think the officer should be prosecuted (and he won’t be), and if he were I’d want him acquitted based on the “totality of the circumstances” (and the law SimCom cites here) … but between you, me, and the grand piano, I don’t think this shooting was really necessary.
The legal justification rests, I believe, on self-defense for just that moment when the vehicle was in motion toward the officer; he had dozens of his colleagues around to deal with all the other concerns and implications if Good had gotten past him and driven away.
So for that second or less of time, which course of action by the officer had the higher probability of keeping him safe: firing his weapon (could that really be expected to stop the car in the relevant frame of time and distance?), or just trying to move out of its path? To me, it’s the latter.
The new video, which was what the officer himself had just seen, while it demonstrates that wife & wife here were exactly the people for which “FAFO” was coined, also does not in my eyes show the driver as someone with an appearance of murderous intent. How much of what the officer was feeling when Good took off was genuine fear as opposed to just having had it up to here with these entitled numbskulls?
Anyway, that’s how I feel. I’m on his side as regards possible prosecution, and when the inevitable lawsuit happens I’ll probably still think it should fail. But to me he wasn’t really compelled to shoot.
I mean, it's nice to get to evaluate these things over the course of days while sitting on my couch or at my computer, but one has to keep in mind that the person who suddenly had 5000 lbs of car coming at them had rather less.
It's been reported that the ICE agent who fired his weapon had recovered from being hit and drug by a car on a previous assignment and required 33 stitches in his leg. So, he's been injured by a protester using their vehicle as a weapon.
I saw that report. In terms of his subjective state of mind, we can plug that in however we like: how much did the prior encounter increase his genuine fear, as opposed to feelings of hostility?
Legally it’s of limited relevance, I’d say. His conduct will be weighed against some version of the “reasonable person” standard that, at least in the first analysis, doesn’t take his personal history into account.
Yes. The facts is the facts. And the law is the law.
Also a fact: people often bring their own doom upon themselves and are culpable for the consequences.
I am obviously still alive, but I could reasonably have been dead ten times over, the idiotic things I did throughout my gormless youth. (And that youth lasted a long time too.) It would've been sad if I'd ended up killed or grievously harmed because of any of my unfortunate choices but I would most certainly have been responsible for having put myself in all sorts of harm's way.
On the upside, there were very very few cameras around then, compared to today.
Happy New Year Rikard!
Happy New Year, SCA!
Whew! Don’t remind me. The ole “ if I had known I was going to live this long, I would’ve taken better care of myself”
The ol' "I hope the eggs are OK..."
okay, you can stop talking about that now.
I am not in the mood to spend the next couple of hours thinking about all of the stupid stuff I have done, and still wonder why I am still here. seriously!
Have a nice week-end SCA.
LOL.. Spot on
Shut up you two. I was supposed to die by 30. I'm 62 and don't want to be reminded of yet another goal I missed in my youth...
"Don't do what I did" is quite an amusing stage of parenting if one gives the necessary illustrative anecdotes to hammer home the point.
I am so lucky my kid never needed that admonition- he was born 60 years old and always looked at me and my life choices a bit askance. He still thinks I'm a bit slow, lol.
However, my dad used to say that to me tho and never really elucidated what he meant by that. I knew a lot about his life up to his army years in the mid 50's, and of course know about him marrying mom in '62 and getting his master's in education, but there's about 6 years I know nothing about other than he was a motorhead and probably running with a 'fast' crowd. Maybe if he'd opened up a bit, I could have been able to relate more?
I've never figured out how I managed to give birth to such a rational child as I did but I felt I had to do my duty nevertheless and the now unhusband was furious at me for being so frank.
You too Rosemary!