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Banta's avatar

In the long term, these healthcare worker mandates may prove to be a good thing. Now, don’t get me wrong, it’s all disgusting and will no doubt hurt/kill many in the short term, but frankly, the medical industry has been beyond the point of repair for a long time now. Centuries perhaps:

https://ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm

There’s a lot of information on that page and I certainly don’t agree with all of it, but it does raise questions about the fundamental premises of how we handle matters of health. And those premises have been off the table for discussion for too long. With the obvious profit motives of symptom-control instead of healthy prevention, I feel we all need to re-examine what we think we know. And even how “scientific” any of modern medical research methods are. We often cannot prove causation and settle for big data correlations. They are useful, but leave room for interpretation.

Basically, the more people end up walking away from the medical establishment (even if they’re forced to) may end up being a win for all of us eventually. Personally, at this point, I only think that most doctors are only useful for correcting physical trauma. If I was shot or in a car accident, I would want to be taken to the hospital. For everything else, an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of “cure.”

Hopefully none of this comes off as too callous, but I do not believe we can simply fix these systematic problems within the system that created them. And as long as healthcare remains a business, there will never be motivation to actually prioritize individual health.

“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship...To restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others will constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic..., and have no place in a republic...The Constitution of this Republic should make special provisions for medical freedom as well as religious freedom." - Dr. Benjamin Rush

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SimulationCommander's avatar

I'm much more pessimistic that the government, which is helping to blow up the system, will simply take it over, with predictable consequences.

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Banta's avatar

You may be correct, but on a long enough timeline, that too will bring the system to its knees. The more you tighten your grip and all that…

The only thing I’m fairly confident about is the next few decades are gonna be pretty messy. Everyone needs to identify the high ground and get there…

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cat's avatar

I totally agree with your assessment re the SC upholding the healthcare worker mandate because of federal funding. I immediately thought well the Powers that Be will tie receiving Social Security, Medicare and other federal benefits to getting vaccinated and then whatever next thing that they want to put into our bodies.

And yet, am I remembering correctly that withholding federal funding to cities/states that were illegal-alien sanctuaries was found by some court (SC?) to be unconstitutional or wrong for some reason? I recall that Trump was threatening to do this or actually did this. If so, what level of court said that this was wrong and under what basis? Could that be a Hail Mary if the loss of bodily autonomy will be a requirement to draw Social Security/Medicare? Thinking out loud here...

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Diana's avatar

This just gets more and more and more barbaric and nonsensical.

Like the people without vaccine cards being threatened with arrest and the unvaccinated workers offering their services, we the non-compliant are FORCING them into more absurd and obvious forms of tyranny. Thanks for calling attention to this and not the small percentage of things happening right now (like the OSHA mandates being struck down) that shouldn't actually feel like victories any more than I should have to celebrate every time I walk down a city street and am not mugged.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

If you read the comments on that video, you can clearly see who would be for the police arresting those participating in the sit-ins at Woolworth.

The entire idea is to show exactly what enforcement of these laws actually entail. Yes, it means hauling a 12-year-old out of a restaurant. Can you not stomach that idea? GOOD! That's exactly what the sit-iners were trying to accomplish, too!

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Diana's avatar

It made me want to take the family for a field trip to the nearest city with mandates, honestly. The kid was a champ. I'm going to have to read the comments-- I'm guessing there are some people who would have called Lucille Bridges a monster?

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norstadt's avatar

High percentages of fully vaxxed healthcare workers have been tossed around for a while. Maybe I'm slow, but I didn't realize that many had an exemption. From the NBC New York article: "99% of Mount Sinai South Nassau’s staff are fully vaccinated, not counting those who sought religious or medical exemptions." Now those with a religious exemption were fired and it was a large number.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

I didn't really have room in the article to bring it up, but check this out:

"The officials said that in October, Washington state dismissed all unvaccinated state employees, which resulted in 48 state employees no longer working on snow removal efforts in Kittitas County."

Kittitas County is not that large (total population about 40,000). 48 state employees no longer working on snow removal has to be a HUGE percentage of that workforce. (This line may also refer to the TOTAL number of snow removal employees, who would now not be able to work in Kittitas, however. It's not super clear)

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Guttermouth's avatar

Nice to see Kavanaugh was worth all the trouble of standing up for him to get a fair appointment.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

I hated Kavanaugh as a nominee (he LOVES state power), but the ridiculous treatment he got during his appointment made me root for him to get on the bench. Hopefully he got a big dose of what it's like to be on the outside of the mob.

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The Ungovernable's avatar

They hate us. We must be punished.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

And it's HILARIOUS that all the 'punish them' cheerleaders think they will be forever on the right side of the mob.

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The Ungovernable's avatar

“ Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

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WendeAnne's avatar

Never been about a “virus”.

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