Did they not drag him into the ruckus after they inexplicably pushed a woman down, then begin to spray around some kind of chemical? He appears to rush over to help her and, I repeat, ICE agents *dragged him in.* That isn’t ICE “dealing with crazies.” Even before they killed him, their behavior was abhorrent. It’s astounding to see so many “don’t tread on me” types defending this.
He was standing in the middle of the road when the video started and he was trying to 'de-arrest' the woman. He didn't get dragged into the middle of anything.
Technically speaking for pushing off form you should have a low center of gravity and a wide base and push with explosive power with your head up at all times if possible. You could also try pulling the officer off using a similar hugging technique to tactic 1 this time you can also utilize the leverage of a hip twist. For breaking a grip try striking the grip. All that being said you can see why this can get construed as assault in court. Note that similar effects can be had via tac tic 1, but also that tactic 1 easily slips into this tactic of direct contact with officers.
She was pushed, violently, down to the ground. It’s clear as day. She hadn’t even been arrested. Pretti goes to her and he is then dragged away from her, again violently, by an ICE officer. I can’t believe there is debate on this. I’ve already seen some commentary from right wingers saying OK fine, but we’re still not changing our minds about ICE. The rest are flailing and trying to come up with all kinds of excuses, asking us not to believe our own lying eyes.
I’ve watched this video many times including several times just now. There is no doubt what happens.
I’m begging you, just take the politics out of this and pretend like it’s any random group of people.
She's in the process of getting arrested and Pretti knows this.
"It's important to think about the consequences of particular kinds of de-arrests. Criminal charges for physically intervening during an arrest range from misdemeanor interference charges to felony escape and assault on an officer charges. In some states "anti-lynching laws" have been used to re press anti-racist activists who attempted de arrests. It is also the case that LEO use of force varies. At the scene of a protest lethal force is often tempered, but on the streets on a "normal day" an officer could easily resort to lethal force with relative impunity if they feel remotely threatened. That being said, a hostile crowd at protest that's shown its willingness to act often makes officers think twice as opposed to a pacified crowd that can be steam-rolled."
That does not look like an arrest. And no arrest should involve that type of violent shoving. I assume she was not really a threat to them, I assume she didn’t have a weapon. No rest, done correctly, would involve that type of pushing.
I appreciate that you have a civil thread going here, I appreciate that you respond civilly to questions and to challenges. But this is beyond the pale. It is absolutely delusional to attempt to justify what plays out in those videos. It is fully possible to admit that these particular officers acted horrendously while still also making a case for the need for ICE and for immigration crackdowns.
I agree with you with regards to the lady being shoved, but the way I wish the world worked and the way it actually works are two vastly different things.
Pretti either knew exactly what he was getting into or he didn't read his training manual saying to not bring weapons or fight the cops. This is a danger of monetarily rewarding people for being "victimized" by ICE agents.
Some immigration experts and community activists cite the organized resistance in L.A. as another reason the numbers of ICE arrests were lower in California than in Texas and even lower than dozens of states by percentage of population.
“The reason is the resistance, organized resistance: the people who literally went to war with them in Paramount, in Compton, in Bell and Huntington Park,” said Ron Gochez, a member of Unión del Barrio Los Angeles, an independent political group that patrols neighborhoods to alert residents of immigration sweeps.
“They’ve been chased out in the different neighborhoods where we organize,” he said. “We’ve been able to mobilize the community to surround the agents when they come to kidnap people.”
In L.A., activists patrolled the streets from 5 a.m. until 11 p.m., seven days a week, Gochez said. They faced off with ICE agents in Home Depot parking lots and at warehouses and farms.
“We were doing everything that we could to try to keep up with the intensity of the military assault,” Gochez said. “The resistance was strong. … We’ve been able, on numerous occasions, to successfully defend the communities and drive them out of our community.”
It’s past time to call in the national guard, USMarshalls, FBI arrest most of these assholes that are interfering and obstructing. It’s clear ICE has neither the man power or policing training to deal with an armed violent crowd! This has turned into an insurrection against the government and its agents to perform legal duties. I believe there should be a consent decree from the DOJ and takeover Minneapolis PD. They’ve proven they’re incapable of preserving the peace. It’s way past time to deal with all the crazies in Minneapolis.
I restacked this with a Note so I could use the Notes composer, instead of this barbaric Comments composer. The short version is that SimulationCommander has done an excellent analysis, but it misses a crucial fact about the P320’s “uncommanded discharge” issue. The gun absolutely will NOT experience uncommanded discharge if it re-assembled correctly after takedown. If Pretti’s P320 discharged accidentally (which does seem to be the case), it can only be because he was one of the small army of idiots who do not follow SigSauer’s instructions for reassembly as stated in the P320 Owner’s Manual. The details are in my restack Note.
So, in addition to carrying a loaded firearm into the middle of a federal enforcement action in which conflict has been an ongoing condition for weeks, and involving himself in a scuffle with federal officers who already have reason to expect to be attacked, he did it with a weapon that he rendered dangerous by failing to operate (reassemble) it properly. That’s irresponsibility-squared.
That’s the entire point. If indeed the P320 accidentally discharged, it is absolutely conclusive that Pretti failed to follow the instructions in the Owner’s Manual. I covered why that’s true in the Note when I restacked your post.
There are no known instances of the P320 accidentally discharging when it is reassembled correctly, in accordance with the Owner’s Manual instructions. Zero. None. As far as I can tell, no one has been able to make it happen.
There are all kinds of YouTube videos made by clowns who “prove” that they can make the striker activate by wiggling the slide. Not one of them shows the P320 being reassembled correctly. But they’re out there bad-mouthing SigSauer and feeding the hysteria about the unreliability of the P320. And naturally, thousands of people who haven’t bothered to equip themselves with the facts dutifully pile on, like a bunch of sheep.
I dug deep into this issue last November, after that Air Force guy was allegedly killed by an uncommanded discharge of a P320. That’s what the guy who shot him claimed, and he got another guy to lie for him. Later, he fessed up to it. Apparently he didn’t shoot the guy on purpose; he was just being stupid, doing the thing you NEVER should do: point a gun at someone “as a joke”, even if you’re “sure” it’s unloaded. Except in this case there was a round in the chamber, and the pistol discharged.
I finally found the truth about the uncommanded discharge issue: it’s a result of idiots not reassembling the pistol correctly, according to the manual’s instructions. The answer is in a video by Ryan of the Gun University YouTube channel (linked below). There are other videos in which the gun is reassembled properly and after repeated tests under multiple conditions, it proved impossible to instantiate an uncommanded discharge.
Pretti didn’t exactly “tinker” with the P320; instead, he failed to reassemble it correctly, in accordance with the manual’s instructionl. It appears that there are a lot of other idiots who have made the same mistake. Unfortunately, some of those mistakes have cost them their lives. That is evidently what happened to Pretti.
Poorly trained federal agents cause negligent discharge while disarming detained suspect; execution ensues. Amazing, wonderful, my tax dollars at work. What's next, ice raids a paintball field in search of venezuelans and eliminates a platoon of heavily armed 13 year olds?
Read a post by Dave Reaboi with him saying: "Both the far-left organizers of the Minneapolis protests and Hamas understand that the proliferation of martyrs is an effective strategy."
Homosexual male nurses might be be better off staying at home to redecorate the living room - or staying at work to give blowjobs to patients - instead of “accidentally” packing SIGs and “accidentally” driving downtown to a known riot zone. Who will suck off the vets at the VA Hospital, now?
I was just coming here to say that too! How can ICE not make mistakes when the whistling is deafening? And now Walz sends in the National Guard- to serve coffee to the protestors -ugh
Some people think that insisting a law enforcement officer must absolutely make the correct split-second decision is the way to ensure safety and rule of law.
These same people reject:
Drop the obviously illegal “sanctuary city” bs
Cooperate with ICE agents to facilitate removal of criminal illegals
Allow local police to secure law enforcement activity
Stop encouraging vigilante activity and disruptive protest
And they see themselves as the epitome of righteousness.
Hi SC. Would love to read your analysis, but I live in the UK and my govt insists on treating me like a child. Substack wants me to verify my age to view the content. I'll appeal it with Substack, I've got decisions reversed previously, but it can take a week, so wondered if you host elsewhere so i can make my own decision on its validity. Thanks
Did they not drag him into the ruckus after they inexplicably pushed a woman down, then begin to spray around some kind of chemical? He appears to rush over to help her and, I repeat, ICE agents *dragged him in.* That isn’t ICE “dealing with crazies.” Even before they killed him, their behavior was abhorrent. It’s astounding to see so many “don’t tread on me” types defending this.
He was standing in the middle of the road when the video started and he was trying to 'de-arrest' the woman. He didn't get dragged into the middle of anything.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/hc6wa59y9npfozk/dearrest_primer.pdf/file
Technically speaking for pushing off form you should have a low center of gravity and a wide base and push with explosive power with your head up at all times if possible. You could also try pulling the officer off using a similar hugging technique to tactic 1 this time you can also utilize the leverage of a hip twist. For breaking a grip try striking the grip. All that being said you can see why this can get construed as assault in court. Note that similar effects can be had via tac tic 1, but also that tactic 1 easily slips into this tactic of direct contact with officers.
She was pushed, violently, down to the ground. It’s clear as day. She hadn’t even been arrested. Pretti goes to her and he is then dragged away from her, again violently, by an ICE officer. I can’t believe there is debate on this. I’ve already seen some commentary from right wingers saying OK fine, but we’re still not changing our minds about ICE. The rest are flailing and trying to come up with all kinds of excuses, asking us not to believe our own lying eyes.
I’ve watched this video many times including several times just now. There is no doubt what happens.
I’m begging you, just take the politics out of this and pretend like it’s any random group of people.
She's in the process of getting arrested and Pretti knows this.
"It's important to think about the consequences of particular kinds of de-arrests. Criminal charges for physically intervening during an arrest range from misdemeanor interference charges to felony escape and assault on an officer charges. In some states "anti-lynching laws" have been used to re press anti-racist activists who attempted de arrests. It is also the case that LEO use of force varies. At the scene of a protest lethal force is often tempered, but on the streets on a "normal day" an officer could easily resort to lethal force with relative impunity if they feel remotely threatened. That being said, a hostile crowd at protest that's shown its willingness to act often makes officers think twice as opposed to a pacified crowd that can be steam-rolled."
That does not look like an arrest. And no arrest should involve that type of violent shoving. I assume she was not really a threat to them, I assume she didn’t have a weapon. No rest, done correctly, would involve that type of pushing.
I appreciate that you have a civil thread going here, I appreciate that you respond civilly to questions and to challenges. But this is beyond the pale. It is absolutely delusional to attempt to justify what plays out in those videos. It is fully possible to admit that these particular officers acted horrendously while still also making a case for the need for ICE and for immigration crackdowns.
I agree with you with regards to the lady being shoved, but the way I wish the world worked and the way it actually works are two vastly different things.
Pretti either knew exactly what he was getting into or he didn't read his training manual saying to not bring weapons or fight the cops. This is a danger of monetarily rewarding people for being "victimized" by ICE agents.
https://x.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/2013892794629099673
These people literally think that having a hostile crowd around will DECREASE the chances of violence and deportations.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-08-10/california-was-center-stage-in-ice-raids-but-texas-and-florida-each-saw-more-immigration-arrests
Some immigration experts and community activists cite the organized resistance in L.A. as another reason the numbers of ICE arrests were lower in California than in Texas and even lower than dozens of states by percentage of population.
“The reason is the resistance, organized resistance: the people who literally went to war with them in Paramount, in Compton, in Bell and Huntington Park,” said Ron Gochez, a member of Unión del Barrio Los Angeles, an independent political group that patrols neighborhoods to alert residents of immigration sweeps.
“They’ve been chased out in the different neighborhoods where we organize,” he said. “We’ve been able to mobilize the community to surround the agents when they come to kidnap people.”
In L.A., activists patrolled the streets from 5 a.m. until 11 p.m., seven days a week, Gochez said. They faced off with ICE agents in Home Depot parking lots and at warehouses and farms.
“We were doing everything that we could to try to keep up with the intensity of the military assault,” Gochez said. “The resistance was strong. … We’ve been able, on numerous occasions, to successfully defend the communities and drive them out of our community.”
It’s past time to call in the national guard, USMarshalls, FBI arrest most of these assholes that are interfering and obstructing. It’s clear ICE has neither the man power or policing training to deal with an armed violent crowd! This has turned into an insurrection against the government and its agents to perform legal duties. I believe there should be a consent decree from the DOJ and takeover Minneapolis PD. They’ve proven they’re incapable of preserving the peace. It’s way past time to deal with all the crazies in Minneapolis.
Tonight's especially bad, but the National Guard is handing out hot cocoa and doughnuts instead of being helpful.
https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/2015618494029533499
Yes and it’s time to take off the gloves and enforce the law.
Good take. I was thinking that he might also have pulled the trigger by accident or out of fear due to how chaotic that situation was.
I restacked this with a Note so I could use the Notes composer, instead of this barbaric Comments composer. The short version is that SimulationCommander has done an excellent analysis, but it misses a crucial fact about the P320’s “uncommanded discharge” issue. The gun absolutely will NOT experience uncommanded discharge if it re-assembled correctly after takedown. If Pretti’s P320 discharged accidentally (which does seem to be the case), it can only be because he was one of the small army of idiots who do not follow SigSauer’s instructions for reassembly as stated in the P320 Owner’s Manual. The details are in my restack Note.
So, in addition to carrying a loaded firearm into the middle of a federal enforcement action in which conflict has been an ongoing condition for weeks, and involving himself in a scuffle with federal officers who already have reason to expect to be attacked, he did it with a weapon that he rendered dangerous by failing to operate (reassemble) it properly. That’s irresponsibility-squared.
It would be ironic if he caused the malfunction himself by tinkering with the gun.
That’s the entire point. If indeed the P320 accidentally discharged, it is absolutely conclusive that Pretti failed to follow the instructions in the Owner’s Manual. I covered why that’s true in the Note when I restacked your post.
There are no known instances of the P320 accidentally discharging when it is reassembled correctly, in accordance with the Owner’s Manual instructions. Zero. None. As far as I can tell, no one has been able to make it happen.
There are all kinds of YouTube videos made by clowns who “prove” that they can make the striker activate by wiggling the slide. Not one of them shows the P320 being reassembled correctly. But they’re out there bad-mouthing SigSauer and feeding the hysteria about the unreliability of the P320. And naturally, thousands of people who haven’t bothered to equip themselves with the facts dutifully pile on, like a bunch of sheep.
I dug deep into this issue last November, after that Air Force guy was allegedly killed by an uncommanded discharge of a P320. That’s what the guy who shot him claimed, and he got another guy to lie for him. Later, he fessed up to it. Apparently he didn’t shoot the guy on purpose; he was just being stupid, doing the thing you NEVER should do: point a gun at someone “as a joke”, even if you’re “sure” it’s unloaded. Except in this case there was a round in the chamber, and the pistol discharged.
I finally found the truth about the uncommanded discharge issue: it’s a result of idiots not reassembling the pistol correctly, according to the manual’s instructions. The answer is in a video by Ryan of the Gun University YouTube channel (linked below). There are other videos in which the gun is reassembled properly and after repeated tests under multiple conditions, it proved impossible to instantiate an uncommanded discharge.
Pretti didn’t exactly “tinker” with the P320; instead, he failed to reassemble it correctly, in accordance with the manual’s instructionl. It appears that there are a lot of other idiots who have made the same mistake. Unfortunately, some of those mistakes have cost them their lives. That is evidently what happened to Pretti.
https://youtu.be/0lBTx1OHCP4?si=8_SrMBmhX4S2wots&t=578
The man interfered in a law enforcement action to start with while carrying, with no ID. Hmmm…
Funny how many times “OMG!” Is uttered by communist atheists!
You want to show how badass you can be with trained law dogs…?…better get trained or step off!
There is NO constitutional right to protest, dumbshits!
You need to read the constitution. First, however, LEAR 2Reed!
Poorly trained federal agents cause negligent discharge while disarming detained suspect; execution ensues. Amazing, wonderful, my tax dollars at work. What's next, ice raids a paintball field in search of venezuelans and eliminates a platoon of heavily armed 13 year olds?
Read a post by Dave Reaboi with him saying: "Both the far-left organizers of the Minneapolis protests and Hamas understand that the proliferation of martyrs is an effective strategy."
Globalize the Intifada?
They've been practically salivating over the idea in Portland all year long -- fantasizing about how a martyr will spark the revolution.
Of course, they always assume it will be somebody ELSE being martyred.
And it will be an actual martyr, not someone with a gun or hitting a “pig” with her car.
Excellent take.
Homosexual male nurses might be be better off staying at home to redecorate the living room - or staying at work to give blowjobs to patients - instead of “accidentally” packing SIGs and “accidentally” driving downtown to a known riot zone. Who will suck off the vets at the VA Hospital, now?
Good article. On a side note: I got rid of mine after it went off at a gun range when I put it down to pick up a friends SW revolver.
That's a very smart choice. The rules of gun safety exist for a reason -- I don't want a firearm ignoring them.
It's a wonder ICE officers aren't losing their shit right and left from all that whistling.
I was just coming here to say that too! How can ICE not make mistakes when the whistling is deafening? And now Walz sends in the National Guard- to serve coffee to the protestors -ugh
Should be easy to tell if the deceased weapon had been discharged.
Should also be easy to determine exactly whose firearm(s) fired the bullet(s) that entered Mr Pretti's body.
That too.
Yup.
I'm sorry, I had to pause the first video in order to comment.
"Somebody call 911! Somebody call 911!" screams the woman *holding a phone in her hand*.
Some people think that insisting a law enforcement officer must absolutely make the correct split-second decision is the way to ensure safety and rule of law.
These same people reject:
Drop the obviously illegal “sanctuary city” bs
Cooperate with ICE agents to facilitate removal of criminal illegals
Allow local police to secure law enforcement activity
Stop encouraging vigilante activity and disruptive protest
And they see themselves as the epitome of righteousness.
The Democrats are just generally in favor of criminals as long as they are of the right demographics, usually of color or "trans."
Hi SC. Would love to read your analysis, but I live in the UK and my govt insists on treating me like a child. Substack wants me to verify my age to view the content. I'll appeal it with Substack, I've got decisions reversed previously, but it can take a week, so wondered if you host elsewhere so i can make my own decision on its validity. Thanks
Does this work?
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/969537e1-e052-4c8e-a3a6-d991de6af11c
Nah, that didn't work. I've put in an appeal anyway. Do you know how I could pm you my email?
You can shoot me an email -- simulationcommander@protonmail.com
If the videos don't work I'll rehost them somewhere so you can watch them.
Gratefully received, thank you.
Glad it worked! Enjoy!
I might also be able to email it to you, but I don't think the videos work inside email embedding, so that might an issue.