Greeting Screamers! Hope you’re having a great weekend! I previously posted about an interview with Mike Winner of The End of Covid, and as an added bonus we were joined by Alec Zeck, who appears in numerous videos throughout the project.
Before we get into the interview itself, I want to point out that all 11 modules in The End of Covid project are now available and free with signup for the next couple days! As we touch on in the interview, this project really spans the whole covid gambit and is a great educational resource — both for covid “experts” and novices as well.
The 45 minute-interview is spent touching on many of these subjects, including covid protocols, what happened in New York City, and what to do next to prevent something like this from happening again.
Overall, I was impressed with both Winner and Zeck, who both seamlessly followed the conversation from topic to topic and were knowledgeable about every aspect of the pandemic that we covered.
The answer of the day:
SimulationCommander
Is there anything at all that the leaders did right with regards to COVID? Is there any policy, any lockdown, mask, anything? What is the one thing that they did right?Alec Zeck
Woke us up.
Listen to the full audio file here, or skip to the end of the post for a full transcript!
If you want to skip around, here are some important timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
6:22 - What brought about the conditions for the covid response?
13:19 - How the ‘experts’ create ‘consensus’
16:42 - What happened in New York City?
24:04 - What was the goal of the covid response?
27:50 - Helping the people harmed by the covid response
32:17 - Illness, fear, and the media
34:45 - Why are we listening to ‘experts’ who’ve been consistently wrong?
39:45 - Taking back our power
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Below is an AI-transcript of the interview, which was provided by the program we used for the recording. I did some editing for readability, but if there’s egregious errors, blame the robot.
SimulationCommander
I'm sitting down with Alex Zeck and Mike Winner from the end of COVID project. Guys, were just talking about sort of the history of the project and who was involved in it. Go ahead and take it from there.
Alec Zeck
Yeah. So the idea for the project came about initially, in mid 2022, when I saw that the mainstream media appeared to be, quote, disclosing information surrounding COVID, some of which was true with respect to the harms of the shots and things like this, but some of which appeared to vindicate many of the alternative many of the most prominent alternative voices.
And it was surrounding specifically this idea that there was a lab made virus. And through diligent research, not just by myself, but by many people who are featured in The End of COVID and of course, by Mike Winner as well. We've come to understand that there's a lot of misconceptions about that give way for a scenario like this to continue in the future or to happen again in the future.
If much of the Freedom Movement latches on to these unproven ideas and misconceptions. And so that was the initial spark. And then just after that, towards the tail end of 2022, I felt the need to sort of create an educational experience that highlighted all of the details of what happened over the last three and a half years, a full breakdown, sort of setting the record for exactly what happened.
So that when what I've been calling. The pandemic industrial complex inevitably tries this again. Men and women of the freedom movement. And I guess other people who opt. In to view it, are properly informed on exactly what occurred. And the intention is to dispel fear.
And dispel a lot of conditioning that is rooted in these fear based beliefs. And then I approached Mike because he's had knowledge of the sort of terrain paradigm for a long time and we've also collaborated before, and I'll turn it over to him to give his reasons for creating this.
Mike Winner
Thanks, Alec. Yeah, perfectly said there. In terms of the dialectic that we are currently seeing in the quote unquote alternative, whether it be either we're given two options, right, lab leak or zoonotic transference. And for us at Alpha Vedic, which is the organization that I'm a partner in, we have been educating the public for years, thanks to our founder, Dr. Bear Lando's. 40 years experience as a bioterrain physician, which probably most of your readers have never even heard of. But essentially this was sort of what original physicians were doing back in the day from the old guard microbiologists and naturopaths and herbologists. They all understood this before the Flexner Report and the demonization of the older ways of medicine in the early 1910s. And we get into all of this in The End of COVID But Alec reached out to me and I saw this as an opportunity to use this as a platform to educate the public in a very systematic and almost like going to class sort of way that's never been done before on this very important aspect of the pseudoscience and the false Germ theory hypothesis which is all it is a hypothesis.
It has never been actually scientifically proven that a pathogen has transferred from one human and made that other human have that same exact symptom of illness that has never been actually scientifically proven as fact. And that's probably going to shock a lot of your readers. And I think that's what we've been facing over the last decades is a control mechanism of information to deny this truth and those in the scientific paradigm and academic institutions just lacking the historical truth and perspective to understand how this could happen and why. And so the end of COVID while, as Alec says, does lay out the entire operation, that was COVID. The underlying truth, the paradigm shifting thing that we're bringing to the table here is in fact this that there is a grander model of health and what disease actually is that we've known for thousands of years, but it's been systematically taken out of the human paradigm over the last 200, 300 years with the rise of Scientism.
And so, yeah, we're bringing it back and very excited to lay this out in a way that anybody who's brand new to all these things and right now is immediately judging me as a quack or a conspiracy theorist. Can follow along in the 90 plus sessions, go to school we call like Terrain University and learn this stuff by the most prominent voices in the world that have done the work that are very much I hate to say the word experts, right? Because we know how they love to use the word experts. But these are highly accredited, very talented and experienced individuals that are bringing this to the table and very excited to be a part of this.
SimulationCommander
Okay, so that kind of leads me into my next question is could you describe in maybe three or four minutes the systematic changes that the government has made to enable the entire COVID response? You kind of go over this a little bit in one of your first videos, but just give me like two or three minutes about it if you can.
Alec Zeck
Well, one thing that the government brought in was the Prep Act, which gave way I think this was roughly in between 2000 to 2010. I want to say I don't remember the exact date, but I know it's covered during the end of COVID And the Prep Act gave way to give emergency use authorizations for products that have not gone under. Rigorous licensure and I say rigorous and Air quotes rigorous licensure and approval by the FDA, which we also point out during the end of COVID is completely nonsensical.
But more important than in my mind. What the government has done during the whole COVID charade is what the scientific community has done for the past 100 to 200 years with respect to how disease manifests. And I know Mike already named it, and that's the Flexner Report sort of gave way to that. But then even previous to that, looking at the science of Antoine Bishop versus Louis Pasteur. And unfortunately, much of the world has latched on to the unproven ideas of Louis Pasteur and Antoine Bichamp, and his terrain paradigm has fallen to the wayside.
And what we've discovered, and many of us that are a part of the End of COVID have discovered, is that Bishop's initial terrain model is actually much closer to the truth about how health and disease manifests. Winter I don't know if you had anything you wanted to add.
Mike Winner
Just on the government side, we see a lot of corporatism sort of underlying it, all right? So it's hard to say just government anymore, right, because the lines have blurred so much between like, what is the CDC? Many people believe this is a government institution, but it really is privately funded. Stakeholder capitalism runs it. We've got a lot of cronyism going on here between the Gates Foundation and Big Pharma, and is not this is nothing new, of course, this has been building up for decades, but it was unprecedented in how just tyrannical they rolled it out for COVID, right.
And I think we laid this out in a really beautiful way in the first few acts of the end of COVID and how they were able to do this through big media and through a coalition of sorts of world agencies, right, that have spawned out of the UN into the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum and these sort of globalists that are superseding now.
Any national, democratic and sovereign institutions that supposedly still have power. We've seen that all wiped away into really this whole new sort of I call it corporatism, you can call it globalism, whatever you want to call it. Fascism, medical fascism. And then, of course, we saw that rolled out into the smallest municipal areas right to the local hospital, where I think people still want to deny this, but using the PCR test and labeling certain people who passed away or have the symptoms as COVID deaths, well, they were handsomely paid for that, these hospitals. And so there was a lot of this sort of crony capitalism and fascism that was really unprecedented and quite amazing when you look back at what they were able to pull off.
Alec Zeck
Yeah, another thing I'd like to add to that too, in terms of what the government has done, and of course I agree with what Mike has said in terms of there is blurred lines between government and industry and media at this point. It's really all one big conglomerate. But in 1992, the FDA also passed what's called the Drug User Fee Act, which basically allowed for pharmaceutical companies to pay to have pharmaceutical companies, if they wanted to have their drug approval process expedited, they had to pay money.
And now drug user fees account for 75% of the FDA's drug regulatory budget, which means that the FDA is receiving 75% of its funding for its drug regulatory budget from the companies that it is regulating.
And then of course we have three of the last four commissioners of the FDA either currently work for or previously worked for pharmaceutical companies. Now one specifically that was nominated by President Trump, which is an interesting thing.
Know, as Mike and I are very much in align with you and your audience this idea no need to get into that, but let's just say he was nominated by President Trump. Scott Gottlieb. While he was the commissioner of the FDA. He expedited the approval process for experimental drugs. That is one of the things that he did while commissioner of the FDA.
Then Scott Gottlieb in 2020, joined the Board of Pfizer. And what happened with Pfizer? They had a drug expedited in its approval process, their vaccine. So we could go into extensive details on the corruption between the pharmaceutical industry and various parts of the government. Again, the largest spender of money on lobbying in government by far is the pharmaceutical industry. And just like Mike said, the CDC has the CDC Foundation which receives money from Pfizer, Sanofi Johnson GlaxoSmithKline, Coca Cola and a bunch of other corporations that have nothing whatsoever to do with health and at the very least are clear conflicts of interest. And we cover all of this extensively during the End of COVID as well in I believe it's module six, the prequel, science and Corruption, going into details of the history of the pharmaceutical industry and government.
SimulationCommander
Yeah, it's so interesting. Just that email that just got highlighted from Fauci a couple of weeks ago about how he wanted to set up a big organization at the WHO. They're going to try and pass the buck up the chain to get more experts. But he knows the whole time everybody else is in on the scam, like all the people at the WHO, they're funded by the same people. So he knows they're going to give him the answer that he wants and then he goes and he attacks all of the people who aren't going to give him that answer. So then it looks like there's a scientific consensus.
Mike Winner
Yes, that is right there the definition of corporate scientism. Right. It's using supposed government institutions to apply pressures into the private from private funding to then have sort of, as you said, a consensus right to the public. But meanwhile it's all privately funded and going back into those private companies that are actually profiting off it, that are actually manipulating that consensus.
Alec Zeck
Well, it has really become a dogmatic religion. It really is. And the quote, scientists are no different than priests. They're the only one that can access the knowledge about human health. You must outsource to them. Just as in religion you can't access the divine unless in dogmatic religions you can't access the Creator or God unless you do so through a priest. You have to outsource to them. It's become the same thing. And it's all based on blind faith, blind belief in what these scientists are doing. And of course, as you know well, many scientists, many credentialed experts disagree with the prevailing narrative. An unknown number authentically disagree, many of which are for various reasons, too scared to speak up. And then of course, there are so many that have been censored or deplatformed, or been threatened or had their licenses taken away for speaking up and murdered.
And this is a completely conjured, pseudoscientific false narrative that is operating under the guise of science to get well intentioned men and women to buy into this thinking that it is best for human health.
Mike Winner
In module six, the prequel, science and Corruption, we cover all of this in an amazing way. Condition credentialism, sort of how a lot of these people go through all of this years of academia and then are so indebted to it and essentially have a comfortable life. And for them to now challenge this is just too much at stake. To do that, we go into the fallacy of peer review, which is phenomenal because it is a broken system and that's something that the science community always harps on. Well, everything was peer reviewed and we have consensus. And then of course, we go into the history with the Rockefellers and all of the sort of robber barons that really set this up 100 plus years ago.
SimulationCommander
So if I can swing back to the virus, you guys seem pretty adamant that what we know about viruses isn't correct. So how do we explain what happened in New York in 2020? Was it all hospital protocols? Was it the nocebo effect like I heard in one of your videos? What caused this spike in death and then rolling through the rest of the country?
Alec Zeck
Yeah, this is a really good question. We actually have an entire session dedicated to New York City, specifically called the New York City Epicenter, where we do show that there is a spike in death at the beginning. But a lot of that was the hospital protocols, a lot of that was also the nursing homes and just the general fear that was stoked and of course the placebo/nocebo effect.
But then we can't discount the fact that because people were so conditioned to be afraid of this, a lot of people refused to go to the hospital for things that they previously would have. Like there are countless examples where people were experiencing heart related issues and did not go to the hospital and then an ambulance had to come pick them up and then they either died before the ambulance got there or died along the way in an ambulance.
And then some of those people were administered a nonsensical PCR test and then were labeled as a COVID death and some were just chalked up as the general mortality data.
So we do acknowledge that there is. A spike in all-cause mortality initially in New York City, but then throughout the rest of the year in New York City, it levels out down to a level that is actually lower than previous years for those months in New York City.
So we can't discount the fact or the reality that fear plays a huge part in this. And in fact, the CDC's own data corroborates this. According to a study published in part by the CDC in july of 2021. Looking at over 540,000 people who had died with a COVID label while in the hospital, they found that the second strongest risk factor for death associated with COVID was fear anxiety related disorders, which again implies those are people who had already had a diagnosed disorder. Not accounting for what I would imagine to be the large number of people who were in a perpetual state of fear and anxiety and wound up in the hospital, wound up being put on REM, disavear, ventilator, the whole nine yards.
And so fear absolutely plays a humongous role during this. We actually have a few sessions devoted to that. One is with Dr. Kelly Brogan, Dr. Andy Kaufman, both of whom are formerly trained as psychiatrists, and then Dr. Amanda Volmer, who's just very knowledgeable on the topic going into the psychology of obedience and fear.
We have a session with Meredith Miller called The State of Captivity, sort of discussing the Stockholm syndrome that occurred over the last three years. And then we have another session with Brendan Murphy, who goes into the psychosomatic elements of COVID and the manifestation of symptoms of illness.
Mike Winner
And I will add to that even the numbers we have to be critical when looking at what the CDC is telling us. They've been caught and they've admitted that they have two variations of the data. They have their COVID tracker, right, the data tracker, which is more of a trends, a demographic trend, and that is based off collecting data from states and municipalities. And then you actually have the National Center for Health Statistics, which is the death certificate. And those two data streams can be completely off base in terms of the former versus the latter, which is more correct. On top of that, then we've got the PCR fraud on how these are even being noted as COVID deaths to begin with. So we have to take that all into understanding of how the data is being manipulated. But in terms of total deaths, yeah, that seems very obvious, right?
And when you have a matrix of fear in a city like that, where the entire world is talking about it, and you have a media apparatus now that is on everyone's phones 24/7, when you're living in New York City on the subway, watching how everyone's dying around you, as Alec pointed out, there is a psychosomatic aspect to that. And if you have comorbidities living in a toxic environment like New York City, where you are already prey to all the EMFs and the pollution and everything going on there. It seems just like a prime location to sort of roll out a psyop like that, which I do believe there was a heavy psychological operation around that. Not to mention the fact that there were many undercover, or not necessarily undercover, but independent journalists who were showing up to these hospitals and seeing empty wardrooms. And what was being reported was not actually true of what were seeing on the ground.
Alec Zeck
We actually have a session on that too during the end of COVID. So this is in module five, where we have a whole session devoted to the COVID shots. And in one of the sessions I interview four, three different nurses and one nurse practitioner who work in various hospital systems around the US. And one of these nurses worked in the Epicenter in New York City. She's unable to disclose the location because she signed an NDA, but one of the hospitals in the Epicenter. And all four of these women share the same sentiments, that there was nothing new happening in 2020. Some of them said there was just an initial spike at the very beginning. But they attribute that to hospital protocols, fear, and everything that I named before. But that by the end of 2020, there was nothing happening.
And then 2021, there was a significant spike in very weird symptoms that people were coming to the hospital with that they had not seen in the previous year. And then we also have two sessions with Nick Hudson from Pandemic Data and analytics, where he explores a comparison of health measures that were implemented across the world and shows that, of course, as we know, sweden did not have any of the issues that many of the other countries dealt with.
And then sub Saharan Africa also didn't have many of the issues that other parts of the world dealt with. And you would expect that those countries in Africa especially would have had far worse issues and they didn't have any issues. And then in the mortality data, Nick Hudson highlights that there is absolutely no proof when looking at the mortality data across the world, the all cause mortality data, that there was a novel pathogen. There's no proof of that whatsoever.
And that is covered extensively again in the end of COVID.
SimulationCommander
So if it wasn't a virus, what was the goal? Was it political? Was it just money? What were these people trying to do in creating, like you said, this Psyop of fear?
Mike Winner
Well, what are they always trying to do? For one, there's never one strategy we have to remember. I think we get often stuck in this black and white thinking. It's important for us to start wrapping our head around how these wannabe, so called elitists think. And they meet in these roundtable groups in Davos and Bilderberg, and they have multi level fractal plans put forth for overall agendas with lots of. Other backup plans. We have to remember these people are very smart, they're maniacal. So there's a lot going on here, but I think we cover it pretty good in the who's directing the show module, which hasn't even launched yet. That's coming up, I think tonight or tomorrow, where we go deep into their plans. And now that they're just out and open talking about the fourth industrial revolution, right? The stuff that is talked about at Davos, about you will own nothing and be happy, right?
We're talking about centralization of power and so using fear and the fear of a virus specifically to bring in new digital surveillance, vaccine, passports, digital centralized, run current digital currencies CBDCs all of that is more easily done when you have a fearful population of an invisible enemy that they have a solution for.
Alec Zeck
We saw the same thing on a micro scale. I can't believe I call this a microscale relative to COVID. It was a micro scale during 911 with the introduction of the Patriot Act. It was using terrorism as the excuse. And it's ironic because it is the elusive enemy that only the experts can know the whereabouts of that could be harbored amongst your community. You need to be fearful of anyone around you, especially at that time, brown people, because they could be terrorists. It's a play on the same thing, the invisible boogeyman that gives way for them to latch onto more power and.
SimulationCommander
They're doing exactly the same thing now. They're just expanding the definition of terrorist into people like us who are talking about stuff that they don't want to be talked about.
Mike Winner
One more important aspect too, also it's very important when you fear nature making you sick, whether that's coming from a bat or a penguin or even the man's ability to manipulate it and create bioweapons, you are now fearing your inherent terrain that you live in the environment. And what are they rolling out? They're rolling out a virtual landscape to focus humanity into through trans. Well, also the altering of nature through transhumanism, through mechanical AI, automation and virtual environments. Augmented reality, that is the future prison planet. So when they can have people fearful of their own backyards, their neighbor, nature itself, owning chickens, growing fear of food, fear of just how inherently nature works, you can then more easily shepherd them into this fake simulacrum.
SimulationCommander
That's so interesting because one of my very good friends, she's super smart, she's liberal, but I don't hold that against her. She was out at a little bottle shop, I think they call them in North Carolina getting a cider or something and she was texting me and she was saying, I'm so conscious of how my body is now a germ spreading vector or something like that. And it really shocked me that she's still out doing stuff, but this has obviously fundamentally changed her view of interacting with people and how do we fix that? There's so many people who are just permanently scared. Now what do we do to kind of help them back into society?
Alec Zeck
This is where what we've put together with the end of COVID is such an incredible thorough breakdown of that ideology. That for those who've never heard this stuff before, we're talking about there's no proof of a pathogen, period.
Of course that sounds absurd, but we break it down looking at these scientific papers claiming to prove these things and layer up claiming to prove that disease is spread via the fluids of a sick person. And we break all those down to the details to provide those who are viewing with all of the context so that we can get out of this completely unproven, pseudoscientific fear based paradigm.
And to speak more directly to that, this idea that disease is spread via the fluids of a sick person. We approach it as if it's a well established, indisputable scientific fact. But the reality is when we look at the countless and I'm talking during the end of COVID in session number eleven of module two called the Proof of Contagion, we document dozens of experimental attempts to prove that diseases spread via the fluids of a sick person and each one of them turned out bunk. They weren't able to show that diseases spread via the fluids of a sick person. One of the more well known examples is the Rosenau experiments during the Spanish flu.
And again, when we talk about something like the Spanish flu or like HIV AIDS or like COVID or like any of these so called pandemics, what we're trying to figure out is what is the cause of these people experiencing symptoms of illness, right?
And during the Rosenau experiments, milton Rosenau took over 100 volunteers who were not sick and exposed them via various methods to sick patients or to the fluids of sick patients. So that looked like injecting Spanish flu infected blood directly from sick patients into these healthy volunteers. Taking nasal secretions from these Spanish flu patients and swabbing it into the back of these healthy volunteers throats. Taking 13 of the volunteers and bringing them into Spanish flu ward and having them interact with five different patients each, having them open mouth, cough in their faces, having them talk at close range, having them shake hands, hug, interact, et cetera. And the results of this experiment were that none of the volunteers became sick. And then we document several other ones, namely an example and this shows the importance of fear in the mind and one of the examples of attempting to prove diseases spread via the fluids of a sick person.
They had a placebo group that was just given a saline placebo. More people became sick as a result of being exposed to the saline placebo than those who are exposed to the fluids from a sick person. Which again emphasizes or indicates rather, and of course with additional context that we cover during the end of COVID It definitely, I almost say, conclusively smacks this down. But at the least in this isolated experiment indicates that the mind is one of the most important factors in this. And of course, the placebo nocebo effect is a well established phenomenon. And we go into the placebo nocebo effect as it relates to COVID on a number of sessions throughout the end of COVID.
SimulationCommander
Yeah, one of the things that I thought was interesting to kind of swing it back towards New York City was the press was writing those articles “People are dying of heart attacks at home, and nobody's sure why”, and yet they're literally scaring everybody 24/7. They've got the running death counts. There's sirens going on outside. And they never stop to think, maybe we're actually killing all of these people by making them so afraid.
Alec Zeck
And this is such an important point too. This is a well established thing in health that perpetual fear actually releases chemicals into your body that are stress hormones that cause your body to tense up, thus causing illness.
It's not a novel idea that perpetual fear brings about symptoms of illness. And just like you're saying, it's absurd that given the CDC's own data showed that 95% of COVID deaths had an average of four comorbidities, 79% of hospitalizations were in overweight or obese people.
And as I shared earlier, the second strongest risk factor for death was fear anxiety related disorders. That indicates to me that their own data is showing the importance of lifestyle, mindfulness and nutrition for health. And they completely ignored that.
And then I forget the exact figure, but I know at the least, by 2021, the Biden administration had invested $40 billion to improve vaccine infrastructure and to combat vaccine hesitancy $40 billion for that. When their own data indicates the importance of lifestyle, mindfulness nutrition, not only did they ignore those things, they tried to keep us inside. They tried to keep us apart from each other, and community is healing. And they tried to keep us in a perpetual state of fear, which would make one wonder, or at least most people wonder, why is it that, given their own data showed this, did they do the exact opposite of what their own data was indicating?
Mike Winner
Well, and then you've got Mayor de Blasio offering fries and fast food to get the jibby. Mean, it's just so ridiculous, man.
SimulationCommander
So that leads me to my next question. Is there anything at all that the leaders did right with regards to COVID? Is there any policy, any lockdown, mask, anything? What is the one thing that they did right?
Alec Zeck
Woke us up. That's what they did. Because despite how traumatic the experience of the last three and a half years was for many people, and I acknowledge there's people who lost family members in the hospital due to the hospital protocols. And this experience definitely propelled much of what we call the health freedom or truth or community into more positive action and into a more purpose-driven life where they had to reflect on what they were doing and how they were interacting and relating and what health is and who they are.
It really forced a lot of us to go inward and seek out these answers. And on the back end of that looks like us now creating a new, better world for us to live in.
And I think that's what they did. The one thing they did right is they woke us up.
I don't know if Mike has anything to add to that.
Mike Winner
Bravo on that, man. I don't think I have anything very positive to say about the leadership in this country or in the world right now in regards to the reaction to everything that rolled out. Yeah. It just once again illustrated the need for us to take back our power.
SimulationCommander
Yeah. Isn't it so weird, though, that they took all of this authority? They told us we had to stay home, they closed our businesses, they told us we couldn't go to the hospital and see all of that stuff, and we are the science, listen to the science, all that, and they were literally wrong about everything. How are we still listening to them?
Mike Winner
I will say this one thing that we illustrate in the end of COVID that this is nothing new and this is nothing novel. This is the way it's been for a very long time. And the only reason why we keep falling for it is because we've forgotten who we are. And because I think we've lacked the ability to come together as a society. We hadn't had the technology, we hadn't had the connectivity we do now with the Internet.
And as someone who is a champion of decentralized technology and kind of revitalizing our place in the digital world through decentralization, I believe we have an opportunity for the first time in a very long time to stand up together and educate each other and actually say, no more. We do not consent. Because now we're all connected.
Before were siloed and separated into our little communities and didn't have the information. We relied upon the media, the newspapers, and the experts to give us the information. The academic institutions. Now we can do what you're doing and doing your own research and putting out your own information on your own blog and allowing for others to read that and come to their own conclusions. That's what the end of COVID is doing. We're just putting this information out based on facts, logic, and reason and allowing you to come to your own conclusion and then connect with others through events that Alec does, events that I do in person so that we can create a broader worldwide community and start creating a parallel system that isn't reliant upon these jokers anymore.
Alec Zeck
Yeah. And then you bring up another really good point — how is anyone listening to these people, these so-called authority figures. And deeper than the listening or what that may bring up for some is the need to get better authority figures. But I think throughout the End of COVID we take it a step further and it's questioning the nature of authority, period. This idea that other men and women who have some sort of title before or after their name, have a right to tell other men and women what to do with their own property.
And we have partnered with this organization called the Sovereign's Way who is teaching men and women across the world principles of common law so that we can dissolve these conditioned beliefs with respect to our rights, where freedom comes from, our relationship to the men and women who call themselves government and learn to express our own law and learn to truly be free.
So we cover this extensively during the End of COVID as well.
SimulationCommander
So to kind of get to wrapping this up, you touched a little bit about some of the dangers, digital currencies, maybe social credit scores, that type of stuff. How do you see us moving forward in the future to avoid all of that stuff or undermine it wherever possible?
Mike Winner
Well, first and foremost, as Alec just said, understanding who we truly are and what our power lies as a living man or living woman, understanding how the actual law of this entire realm, how it works and how everybody is in a consent-based reality. And then we don't fight anymore. We go into the private, we build parallel systems, we act in a neutral place and we act out of love and out of service.
And when we have the wisdom and knowledge to know that we got this because we're in control, invisible pathogens aren't making us sick. They don't have the right to have authority over us. We declare our own reality. Then we create parallel systems. Just like Buckminster Fuller. That famous quote. Instead of fighting and trying to fix a broken system, create the new to paraphrase them. So that is the route I think, that most people involved with the End of COVID are taking already and we hope to educate more people around that.
So there's nothing wrong with going out to a protest and picketing and getting that energy out, but in the end that's not going to fix things. What's going to fix things is getting your garden going, getting in tune with your neighbors, understanding what your true vocation in life is, not being in fear of something making you sick when you understand truly what your power is and then building this beautiful new world that we all want to be in.
Alec Zeck
Yeah, that is so well said. And the only thing I'll add to that too is that throughout the End of COVID by way of the educational material we provide from law for mankind, the Sovereign's Way, we have little mini lessons on law at the beginning of each module. And then a fantastic presentation by Dr. Kelly Brogan what we have to come to understand as the health, freedom, truth, or community is that we consent to these things in large part.
I'm not going to say that there isn't times where they directly infringe or impose upon us, but we consent to much of this stuff. And once we understand and do the inner work and understand that they prey upon us because of our own fear-based beliefs that we hold and things that we haven't looked at within ourselves, that's how they get us to consent to these things.
Once we do that inner work, there's no more fear for us to then give our power away. And then we understand, or when we understand that the men and women and so called positions of authority are just men and women like us and we are also men and women and that the power comes from within us and is not given to us by them. I think we're going to be creating a much more beautiful, free and healthy world.
SimulationCommander
Sounds like a lot of self-empowerment. I don't know if Americans are going to go for that, but sounds good to me.
Mike Winner
Well, I will say this to wrap it up with a nice bow. That was I thought the original whole intention of this great experiment of the Republic was all about the individual power. How do we lose that?
SimulationCommander
Exactly right. Exactly right. So little blurb about the end of COVID project. I saw that you can choose your own donation. Does that mean somebody can throw down five or $10 and get access to the videos or what does that mean?
Mike Winner
You know, it's funny. I just updated the opt in donation page to say it's a minimum of $77 or you can pay more. It's kind of a value for value model. But yeah, it's a minimum of $77. It is literally six months of nonstop work with a massive team putting together over 90 sessions, 100, and I don't know how many hours of edited content. It's literally getting a university course for $77. So the minimum is a $77 donation and you can gift that to others as well. We've just added that functionality. But yeah, that is the minimum.
Alec Zeck
Yeah. And the other thing I'll add to that too, is that with our affiliate program, we give a significant amount to affiliates who sign up and want to help us spread the word, make this go viral, if you will.
We're really trying to reach the masses with this information or at the very least the majority of the health freedom community that is still buying on to these fear based beliefs with respect to health and freedom. And if you are wanting to receive compensation yourself from now through December, we are compensating those who sign up for our affiliate program and help us raise awareness. So anyone who opts in with your link and then purchases, you will receive a substantial amount of commission from that purchase.
SimulationCommander
All right, well, I'll definitely look into that. Thank you. Anything else you guys want to add to wrap it up?
Alec Zeck
I'm good.
SimulationCommander
All right, good. Thanks for coming on with us, and I hope you guys have a great day.
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What excellent writing, M. Sim. Thank you!
Thanks again for having the courage and open mindedness to present this interview SC!! Many in the 'alternative' media simply won't touch it because it takes out the illusion of the dialectic which many require to make money and have a viable business 'fighting the other side'...