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I think the claim there were no “undercover employees” at J6 is a bald faced lie. I know someone (extremely well) who was on the west lawn of the Capitol on J6. He never crossed an erect barrier, and at one point, moved toward the southwest lawn near the south entrance. Four men in olive drab tactical gear, including body armor and ballistic helmets adorned with obviously brand new “Elect Trump” stickers approached him and another man he was chatting with.

These “confidential informants” (if we believe the report) urged them repeatedly to, “Move up! They’re shooting patriots in the hallways. They just shot a woman. You must move up and show them we’re not going to take it!”

My friend and the man next to him just stared at them. He said, “everything about the way they were acting was fake. Their clothing and equipment looked real and used (except for Trump bumper stickers on their helmets) and they wore it like they were used to wearing it.”

When they realized my friend wasn’t buying their bullshit, they left and approached the next knot of folks standing around and talking. That group ignored them, too. My buddy says the “Feds” (as he calls them), left and entered the south lower entrance of the Capitol.

The guy standing next to my friend said, “If those werent Feds or law enforcement, I don’t know what is.” My buddy asked him why he was saying that. He replied, “I own a police supply house. I’ve seen the type for 3 decades. They have law enforcement written all over them. I can spot them a mile away.”

My buddy (ex-military) replied, “It’s funny you say that. I was thinking the same thing. I’ve trained with SEALS, Green Berets, SWAT teams, and basic cops for 25 years. I thought they were Feds, too.”

They both decided then that something felt off about the whole event and decided to get off the X.

Based on everything my friend has told me about his experiences that day, I think the Horowitz report is a limited hangout with extreme parsing of language. Maybe that tactical team that approached my friend weren’t actual FBI employees, but they were definitely being paid and ordered there by someone in the government. They could have been Homeland Security or agents of a hundred other militarized federal agencies that hire almost exclusively ex-military or other experienced LEO types.

Maybe the FBI really did only have 26 CI’s there that day, but the report doesn’t say anything about how many agents were there from hundreds of other federal and DC agencies or even undercover special ops guys from the US military (like from Grey Fox or the Army of Northern Virginia… or whatever their undercover name is now.)

This is a complete whitewash. “We investigated ourselves and find that ourselves really didn’t do anything nearly as bad as you think we did.”

I raise the bullshirt flag.

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The latest bombshell report from the department of health on breast cancer contains no implication that peanut butter and jelly actually exists, finding that it is actually a right wing conspiracy myth.

So what you're saying is a report on one thing didn't mention another thing which of course proves that other thing which they were not including within the scope of the report didn't happen. That's journalism.

Here's an example from the past - the days when "press" meant ink on paper. The three major Southern California newspapers ran the story: "Biker shoots and kills mentally ill man". In the story they make it out to be a crazed biker brutally killing an innocent man.

Now here's the real story: A 70 year old retired physician, who happened to own a Honda Goldwing (Cadillac on two wheels), who was a member of a group of other retired guys who rode Goldwings, was home with his 70 year old wife when there was a knock at the door. It was a crazy guy known around the neighborhood (with some connection) as dangerously ill, who'd been locked up in jail and mental wards several times. The crazy guy violently forces his way in and beats the old doc, threatens his wife, ultimately leaves with the cash the couple had on hand. Police are called. They take a report. Old doc is treated for his injuries and sent home. A few hours later while the couple is sleeping, crazy guy shows up again, breaks down the door, having remembered that the old doc had a collection of expensive shotguns. The old doc meets him in the front room and is ordered to retrieve his most expensive shotgun and give it to the crazy guy. The old doc complies, retrieves the shotgun, and as the saying goes, gives him both barrels. Then calls the cops again to report the dead body in his living room.

This was in Orange County in the early 1980s. Defending yourself and your family was legal. There were no charges against the old doc. The DA elected not to charge the crazy guy on account of him being dead. Doc sues all 3 papers (apparently he had some old lawyer friends). Papers agree to print an accurate story to avoid a day in court. The accurate story appears buried in the back pages of each paper. The difference between then and now? No news outlet in 2024 would print a revised story or retract their original headline!

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