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Jim's avatar

"This is especially problematic because many states are overwhelmed by their one major population center"

There's your problem right there. America isn't purple, it's a sea of healthy Red counties with malignant Blue tumors. Best thing that could happen would be a fast-moving high-lethality virus: end the Blue blobs, burn out on reaching low-population density areas. Maybe the chinks will make one. Maybe th chinks were working on one in that covert illegal biolab Gavin Newsome was funding.

Short of that, we either build big beautiful walls around the urban shitholes, or let the DC ZOG Regime and its adherents finish their planned demolition of America, and see what comes next.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Regulators regulate, they never stop just add to the stack. Law makers create laws, they never stop, just add to the stack. The IRS issues rules, rules for every conceivable item, they stack up forever. The regulator and law creators love their jobs. Lots of weighty chit-chat, much typing and cut/paste, loads of paper and trees for paper. No accountability, not much anyway.

Trump - want a new reg, throws away three. Brilliant. Regulators probably hated him as did law makers. More Trumps, please. Or maybe somebody like him without the ego.

City states, great idea. Convention of the States!

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Rob D's avatar

Great post. I think most of us agree that something has to change. We just don't know what that change is and what it would look like. How do we fix this insanity without further eroding what little bit of liberty we have left

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NeverForget1776's avatar

All - there is an excellent website named Armstrong Economics ( https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/ ) run by Martin Armstrong, a brilliant analyst who use to work for governments with making decisions about monetary policy. He built a computer system that makes pong term predictions and has a rather high accuracy. It predicted the Russia Ukraine war years before it happened. Most of the posts on his BLOG section of teh site are free and very informative. He has been predicting for years that a national divorce like event would happened sometime on or around 2028-2032 and that's exactly how things are looking. It all depends on the next presidential election and we know from the bragging they did in Time magazine that those with money and power are going to do whatever is needed to prevent Trump or a Trump like candidate (someone not controlled by the establishment) from, winning ever again.

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Diane's avatar

https://thepostmillennial.com/washington-state-moves-to-create-ministry-of-truth-to-tackle-anti-lgbtq-and-anti-science-misinformation Democrats in Washington think this a great idea. Tell me when you have one city state( Seattle is actually a pretty good model for this) how to defang them so the rest of us are not swept up. This is like a metastasizing plague. They don’t have to be smart. Just in control.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Inslee is determined to turn this place into California North.

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Diane's avatar

Yes and he has a good team mate in Ferguson. This commission will be run out of the AG office and coordinate with fbi homeland security and other Fed’s. The law also does not define what a domestic terrorist actually is but rather uses a case by case evaluation process. Encourage community to turn each other in for whatever... and it all is mitigated through department of Heath as a mental issue. In a different PBS INTERVIEW https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/how-a-washington-state-plan-to-fight-domestic-extremism-could-be-a-model-for-the-nation, Ferguson states they are worried about older radicals that belong to conservatives groups radicalizing the young. Hope much more do we need to see? The initiative proposition 5 dovetails into this and includes the parents and grand parents into the child’s health structure. I WISH we could put a city state fence around these people and let them go for this utopian dream they desperately want and deserve. I’d love to be free to live my life without this crap encroaching from every direction. But it is already moving through the state. And the worst part is if you read the comments on these articles a good number of the locals are all for it. How can people be this stupid?

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Koshmarov's avatar

"Encourage community to turn each other in for whatever... and it all is mitigated through department of Heath as a mental issue"

Straight late-period Soviet Union shit. shorturl.at/fvxP0

Worst part is, people who genuinely need mental health help are either a) going to lose their civil rights or b) not get any because they are worried about losing their civil rights.

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

Another fix is to overturn the SCOTUS decision that made state Senates into another House of Representatives.

Most states used to have bicameral legislatures that had a population adjusted house and a county or land adjusted senate. About 50 years ago, the Supreme Court decided that was discriminatory and now all the power within every state is controlled by the big cities.

We will not control election theft and irrational governing until rural people also get a voice in the legislation.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Yes! The 17th sort of slips by everybody's radar, but having the states be in charge of appointing Senators ensures that the Senators are speaking for the state (checks and balances). Now that they are simply another House, ALL the branches agree that the feds need more power (so they get more power).

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

That too, but I mean that individual state legislatures were changed after the SCOTUS ruling so that in a bicameral legislative body, both bodies are apportioned by population where previously, the state senates were more similar to the national Senate and proportioned by land mass.

The change gave all the authority in state legislative bodies to the densely populated cities.

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John's avatar

YES!!!

Not on board with the city state model, yet, but the rest, 100% ready, willing and able.

As I wrote elsewhere, the divorce needed isn't among the sibling states, it is from the abusive federal 'parents'.

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Bill Heath's avatar

Before we embark on a city-state solution, we need to understand the relationship between Vienna and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and how that contributed to the beginning of the First World War. Vienna was a hungry beast, incapable of supporting itself without vast territories paying tribute to the capital, which produced nothing but bureaucracy and great music. The Serbs, in particular, were unhappy with the arrangement, leading one Serb to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand. The course of the world was determined by a lone gunman.

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Koshmarov's avatar

"which produced nothing but bureaucracy and great music"

DC hasn't produced even good music for at least 30 years. Austro-Hungarian Empire 1, USA 0.

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Bill Heath's avatar

I Intended to offer only a cautionary tale, but you're right.

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NatteringNaybob's avatar

SC - Most famous City State?

The Peoples Republic of San Francisco: 49 square miles surrounded by reality.

BONNIE UPDATE NEEDED!!!

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SimulationCommander's avatar

She's off on a Bonnie adventure, I haven't seen her in a few days. Her food gets eaten sometimes, so I'm pretty sure she's still hanging around somewhere. (Unless G gets into it overnight?)

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NatteringNaybob's avatar

She's looking for a loving home, your it. https://youtu.be/dumA6TvyoRU

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Koshmarov's avatar

"The Peoples Republic of San Francisco"

Who could have guessed that the end point of salonnière "Communism" would be a society of the extremely wealthy and the absolutely destitute with nobody left in between?

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NatteringNaybob's avatar

Ding, Ding, Ding, Bingo!!! We have a winner!!! Spot on. An attempt to listen to complaints from the well to do about the homeless "ruining those poor businessmen in The City" viz. the GOOCH-I, Needless Markups, Sucks Filth Ave stores, is an experience in homicidal self restraint. Somehow, one is reminded of Brazil and this... https://youtu.be/U4KFNhxibec

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Koshmarov's avatar

Man, I haven't watched BRAZIL in years. I forgot all about Shoe-On-Head Lady. "Medical gift tokens!"

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NatteringNaybob's avatar

Unfortunate that in less than 30 years, Gilliam's 1985 dystopian black comedy became our reality - Have a laugh at the horror of things to come.

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Koshmarov's avatar

The dystopians seem to be always ahead of schedule.

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NatteringNaybob's avatar

Better to be early than never - much like the anti-facts crowd with more excuses than Carter has pills, and ever shifting goal posts to match.

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Diana's avatar

I live in an area that tends toward bluish purple, and I have to disagree with MTG. Most of us are aware of the woke stupidity but nobody is shoving it down my throat. On the contrary many people are gaining the courage to speak up and dissent through private conversations and relationships (and Substack!). When drinking poison hemlock replaces being shadow banned, I might support a proposal that could only result— as I see it— in the kind of chaos and violence of Partition (as in India/Pakistan) or outright civil war. Until then I couldn’t agree more with your conclusion.

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Frank Ch. Eigler's avatar

MTG’s secession idea is not her preference - she too would prefer shrinking the feds instead. But what if that proves impossible?

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SimulationCommander's avatar

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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Frank Ch. Eigler's avatar

i.e., agreeing with MTG

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Koshmarov's avatar

"deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

It's a tell that we see TPTB working aggressively to scramble the "consent" piece here -- I would argue visibly moreso in the past ~half-decade. Misinformation, disinformation, muh democracy!

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Bill Heath's avatar

If determining the size and scope of the Federal Government proves impossible, we have already lost the Constitution and literally nothing binds the states together.

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Koshmarov's avatar

"If determining the size and scope of the Federal Government proves impossible, we have already lost the Constitution"

Then we have already lost the Constitution.

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Frank Ch. Eigler's avatar

Well, there are a few things, but yeah. Thus secession.

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Rick Larson's avatar

The single most glaring flaw of this modern USA is not following a dictate by the Founders that the federal government not get invoked with controlling money, or amending control of the money to a private bank, its only concerning the state's money. A very clear violation, even the SCOTUS is guilty.

Well, this country is risking collapse now because of it, fiat money.

I recently speculated the only way to fix the problem is dismantle the government buildings in DC and ship them back to London. The land area can be divided amongst neighboring states. The FED'S government can meet at various VFW halls around the country. You know, get back in touch.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Yep. It all comes down to the feds being able to print the cash to reward their supporters, while the rest of us pay for it via higher prices and devalued labor compensation.

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Koshmarov's avatar

"even the SCOTUS is guilty"

Even SCOTUS got bills to pay. You priced a condo inside the Beltway in the last 20 years?

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Rick Larson's avatar

They approve of the Federal Reserve Act, cash the checks to pay the bills, so its Guilty as charged!

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John Bowman's avatar

‘... As I often say, government exists to protect all the rights of all its citizens.’ Never in history! It always protected the rights of those running it and their cronies. That was clearly understood in 13th Century England. What do you think Magna Carta was about? A binding agreement on the King was needed, and the Common Law, to protect the citizens from Government. That is why the concept of democracy arose. Government is always about concentration of power into the hands of a few for their profit. Democracy is about distributing that power - the kratos - among the demos so each person has as much power as the other. The very essence of democracy is to prevent individuals in society pooling their power to form a power group which can impose its will on others. It doesn’t mean voting. In fact voting is not democratic at all. Voting is the means to disempower members of society, either voluntarily by voting their power away, or voting to take away the power of those who don’t agree. There will rarely be 100% in favour of anything - if that were likely there would be no need for a vote - so a tyranny of the majority will always be the result, and a tyranny of the many is no less destructive, no less evil, than a tyranny of one. The notion of reduced Government is laughable. Once power is given/taken it WILL be used, it WILL be used to extend its scope and scale and it will NEVER be relinquished voluntarily. One possibility is for the USA is to revert to the original intention of a confederation not a federation. The USA started with 13 States in close proximity with small, homogenous populations. A government was only supposed to deal with foreign policy mostly and leave the States to their own means internally. The Federalists argued that a federal government would be stronger and more powerful - indeed so. Alternatively, the States are big enough to be independent Countries, then a federal government won’t be needed. Britain has removed itself for a would-be Federal European Union for all the reasons you are encountering in the US now. It does come down to difference in culture and how to do things and a desire for local self-determination.

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Rikard's avatar

Singapore and the Vatican City is rather far from anything resembling any libertarian ideals, mind. The Vatican is a theocracy, where state ideology (the religion) creates homogenity. Singapore is rather authoritarian, and while it is religiously diverse it is 75%+ chinese dominated ethnically, the other major groups being indians and malays.

It could be good to look into what makes Singapore work, and by what means the current state of affairs was achieved: it resembles nothing of the ideals of your founding fathers in the US. Lee Kuan Yew and his ideas is the place to start, the man is asmuch a legend as he his an annoyance to western professors in political science and economics: according to their theorems what he did shouldn't have worked (the same way Nayib Bukele's succesful handling of crime in El Salvador is being downplayed or ignored - his actions are not supposed to work according to ideological dogma from both the right and the left).

Personally, I don't see a split US as feasible for several reasons. Mainly this: compare the US pre 1960s with today to see why. Or South Africa 1970 with today. Or Sweden pre-1990s. Or German, France and Britain pre-1990s. What is the main difference correlating 100% with social problems and crime? Demography.

A truth which runs counter to US dogma on such things, hence a split is impossible, at least in an ordered and peaceful manner to say nothing of mainting such "keeping apart"-policies.

But China, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Iran would love to see a split US or even better (for them) a Civil War II, so expect the idea to gain traction.

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Lillia Gajewski's avatar

What an interesting solution. And you are right that a lot of “blue” or “purple” states would be a lot redder without the population centers.

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HardeeHo's avatar

And. of course, the wizards of that Time article knew exactly where the margins were to ensure adequate ballot collection. The toss ups were played well to win the Electoral College.

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this little authoritarian's avatar

Yup. Someone else's political views don't really matter to me unless they're authoritarian about it

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