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Rob D's avatar

Imagine if the criminals involved in the "mostly peaceful" "protests" of 2020/21 were on trial for literally burning Businesses to the ground, raping, murdering and countless acts of true terror. The entire country would be up in flames. Instead we are treated to a trial for mostly innocent people involved in the first unarmed, peaceful so-called "insurrection" in world history. A turd should have been placed on the desk of 99.9% of the despicable politicians instead of just one (allegedly) placed pile of excrement on the wicked queen's desk.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

https://yournews.com/2022/06/07/2355453/new-york-lawyers-who-firebombed-police-car-in-2020-riots/

Two New York lawyers who were facing the possibility of 10 years in prison for firebombing a police vehicle during riots over the murder of George Floyd have reached a new plea deal that could significantly reduce their time behind bars.

Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman, the lawyers, appeared at a U.S. courthouse in Brooklyn on June 2 to withdraw earlier guilty pleas to a charge of unlawfully possessing Molotov cocktails. Then, they pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges.

The adjusted plea deal means that instead of facing up to 10 years in prison, the lawyers can receive no more than five years imprisonment.

Federal prosecutors agreed to the lighter plea deal and also agreed to recommend a prison sentence of just 18 to 24 months.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

If they get 18 months, they'll basically have the same sentence as people who are eventually found not guilty for 1/6 (or just guilty of minor shit such as tresspassing)

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RegularGuy's avatar

Excellent work!

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Fat Rabbit Iron's avatar

It’s clear at this point that we cannot work through the standard channels to combat the new fascism. The entire system is a farce, and nobody is coming to save us.

The only way to win is for each individual to withdraw as much as he can from the established order. They can control us because we depend on them. If everyone had a home gym, a vegetable garden, a flock of chickens, a chest freezer full of local meat, and his own personal well, this fight would look a lot different.

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Rikard's avatar

About the "all men are created"-equal fallacy and folly, the Midle East, China, and all of Africa says "Thank you very much for committing ethnic/cultural suicide-by-migration".

Demography is destiny, and a nation can only be what it is thanks to what people live on its soil. In ten years time, you will have pogroms against jews in Minneapolis due to rising numbers of moslems, as you have allowed them to build mosques and now to blare their prayer from minarets - wherever the Adhan is heard from a minaret, that land belongs to islam for all time. In twenty years, you will have riots and attacks against all non-moslem residents of Minneapolis. And as for the 2nd - well, as "all men are created equal" you can look forward to well-armed well-regulated moslem militias, just as in their home nations.

Just look at France, Germany, Britain (where they have sharia-courts with official recognition and standing since ten years or more) and Sweden, and compare to Russia, Poland, Romania where they do not let moslems in unless it is official business or tourism.

That is the true danger because due to the erroneous american belief that all races, peoples, humans are created equal and must therefore be treated as if they were one and the same, you have no argument against mass migration, islam or chinese and russian encrachment via business.

Putting ones own race, ethnicity, kultur, people first does not mean hating or denigrating others. It means preferring one's own kind and holding as an unquestionable truth all people's right to claim and hold territory, if they can. As americans you are unique in that you as a people are not an ehtnicity or culture or race, but a nationality. It was a strength until you started believing that the american exception could ever be the norm. Allowing islam in your nation will be the death of you. It's now "when", not "if". No power has ever been able to tame islam the way christianity became tamed and secularised over the past 400 years, and islam does not integrate, does not adapt and does not change. It always revert to the same pattern as soon as they are many enough, and as soon as they have done away with the old dominant people in a region, they fall to infighting.

"Do what thou wilt provided you harm none" is a nice sentiment, but it is fallacious for the same reason pacifism is. Unless everyone follows it, it doesn't work.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Why do you assume somebody from China can't follow the Constitution?

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Rikard's avatar

A chinese expat individual may well do so, if the left China to get away from China as it is today. But 10 000 000 living in communities spread around the US, with hundreds pf thousands of chinese in each, where they speak their own language, have their own shools, and so on?

Why would they become american, when they can stay chinese ethnically and culturally, yet enjoy the freedoms and privileges awarded by the US Bill of Rights and Constitution?

When talking demography, ehtnicity, race, culture - they all bleed into eachother - we always talk groups, not individuals, and group always trumps individual. I can give you the perfect example, as it was explained to me long ago by a friend a co-worker:

"You must understand, we are friends, but I am romani. My family always comes first."

As in, in any conflict between his cultural heritage and his swedish nationality, his heritage was pre-eminent. The reason for this is very simple: if he does not act like that, he is immediately ostracized and shunned by all other rom in Sweden, and in those nations where his clan is represented. He would immediately be isolated, an un-person and his wife and children woul face the choice of joining him in isolation or abandoning him.

I understand that is a hard concept for americans to get, since it is totally alien to you, and rom are among those groups where it is most obvious and marked. But do you for one secind think that some words on paper by an american (or englishman rebelling against taxation rather) centuries ago have any chance of competing with the more than 3 000 year old chinese traditional society, or the almost 1 500 years of arabic-islamic (or persian islamic) tradition?

Just because dutch and german and swedes could become american over 150-100 years, does not mean all cultures can or wants to. Take at look at the World Value Survey when you have the time, and look at their data collection.

The "american dream" precisely that, a dream (a good one, no two beans about it) - because it presupposes that all those men created equal are white anglo-saxon christians. Your founding fathers never envisioned a world where the uncountable peoples of Asia and Africa would be given access to America.

And finally, where do I say "can't"? I most definetively mean "won't" - because if they (the men) are created equal, then all cultures are equal, and if they are to be equal then they must have equal standing before the law else the law discriminates against some and privileges others.

Example: (female) genital mutliation is a religious and cultural heritage. Should US law allow or disallow this? If it allows it only for people of cultures practising it, then it's a race law as race/culture decides whether you have that right or not. If it disallows it for everyone then it discriminates all cultures (such as jews) where it is the norm.

Also, the child is unable to give informed consent, just as a child cannot make a critical judgement call about baptism, religious school, and so on. Is the child's rights as a free and equal individual being respected?

No need to write up an essay, your time is limited I know - just think about the problems I bring up and remember I do this with thirty years personal real-life experience of swedish multicultural policy.

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MRPJB's avatar

Why not form a counter to the Komittee? Setup hearings and invite witnesses. Especially those who are being quoted out of context.

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cat's avatar

Not watching it at all.

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Lillia Gajewski's avatar

I didn't watch the theater. I watched Tucker Carlson. (I won't say "instead" because I would have just had the TV off.) After, I ran to Costco. I found out gas has gone up 20 cents since the last time I was out this afternoon, 30 cents since last week. It's nudging $5 a gallon here in Montana for just regular, nearly $6 a gallon for diesel.

That is why we're forced to endure this ridiculousness.

They expect us to "save our democracy from the bad orange man" rather than make them accountable for the shrinking incomes of Americans and all the misery that brings (among many other things).

Sadly, it might work.

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These Current Years's avatar

It's not enough that they stole the election, wiith their 2000 mules & midnight ballots from under the table down here in GA, they have to rub our face in it with this Jan 6th farce. What is the proper response if a party of demons runs a scamdemic, encourages blm riots in the street, and rigs an election to install a puppet and force vaccinate everyone? Jan 6th was clearly.not.the right response,.but can you really blame the people who showed up unarmed to stir shit up? I do not.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Most people didn't even stir any shit up. The Kavanaugh hearings were jammed with protestors....why would people think 1/6 hearings would be any different? (Remember, this was THE chance to present election evidence -- it was VERY FORTUNATE for some people this evidence was never broadcast)

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

I cannot watch it. Will not. It’s not that I’m a Trumpetier or whatever the term. It’s because this is a fucking farce! Sorry, if swear words are verboten, I’ll put some money in the cuss jar. Let’s close our eyes for a minute boys and girls and imagine if this were a political stunt being staged by Republicans with the assistance of a former network news producer. Where did they hold rehearsals? Pelosi’s office? I can honestly say, that I have no idea what all really happened on January 6th and that admission makes me a sure fire conspiracist. Trump’s words to protesters were innocuous. If he had more incendiary instructions, not good. Law Professor Jonathan Turley ( yes, on FOX) has termed it “ the age of rage.” And at the present time, the liberal media and Democratic office holders are just about climaxing in their efforts to deceitfully destroy their opponents. This must stop. I fear the country cannot recover from this non stop shit show that started on January 20th, 2017 when OMG the American people voted and Donald J Trump fair and square won the Presidential Election. I have watched the most hateful, immature behavior of political leaders we are supposed to respect. Six years of political theater. Why?? Because a non politician decided to run for the highest office in the land because he concluded that “we, the people” were not being represented. And I know Trump was right about that. And I’m concluding we never will be. I watched Pelosi impassioned performance about our democracy and the rule of law.... we cannot even get a mug shot of her hammered husband. Again, if that was the spouse of a Republican....or if Don Jr was a crack addict selling influence to foreign countries. Better yet, if protesters were keeping Ruth Bader Ginsberg up all night chanting threats? Or if a Democratic House Rep was shot on a baseball field? What a fucking joke. And they, THANKS TO THE MEDIA, get away with it, every damn time. Our country is in a state of crisis and the Democrats are performing a play tonight for political gain. It makes me sick.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Some site or another claimed that charges against Pelosi's husband were dropped. The fact-check sites are quick to claim that's a lie and a decision about charges hasn't been made, so there were no charges to drop.

I'll leave it up to the reader to determine if that's an important distinction.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

The fact check is that nothing will happen to him. This is not okay. Ever.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

They let the protester in the capital. That's all you need to know about Pelosi's motives. Poor Chewbacca

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Bobby R's avatar

It seems we are a songbird pinned to the ground; the sharp-shinned hawk holding us down is beginning to flex its talons yet we don’t really realize what is about to happen in the next few minutes. Folk in 1930’s Germany waited a bit too long to leave…. History is repeating; every level of the US gov seems compromised including the justice department - hope to see you guys in Costa Rica before it’s too late - first mojito is on me!

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

You will not see me in Costa Rica, or anywhere other than the fight.

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Guttermouth's avatar

Thanks, but I'll go down with the ship. I don't want to start over at this point in my life.

Freedom or Valhalla.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Ragnar : “Power is only given to those who are prepared to lower themselves to pick it up".

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The Ungovernable's avatar

This show trial is Democrats focusing on their trauma. While the trauma that regular Americans are facing (rising gas prices, ridiculous man made inflation, coming layoffs) is completely ignored. Read the room, assholes. We’re tired of your politics and your heavy handedness.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

I hope so... people loaded with misplaced hate and anger love this shit.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yes, but their "feelings" are much stronger than ours. How YOU feel, of course, means YOU must be censored.

That's the tell. The cautionary tale is that we haven't fought back with our voices...until now!

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Yes it's hard to imagine anybody but the already-converted who cares about this stuff. Sadly, the 1/6 committee offers a little bit of seriousness to a wholly unserious 'investigation', at least when it comes to low-information voters.

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The Ungovernable's avatar

Meanwhile mothers can’t feed their babies. In America!

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SCA's avatar

Yeah, look--it's perilous to be alive.

Every day, another one of us anonymous little people out here in the real world discovers there's a legal system, not a justice system; that bad guys win all the time; that nobody gets his reputation back; etc. etc.

The point is, if you have no ideal at all to hang onto, you ain't got nothing.

The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights aren't examples of hypocrisy. They are the highest expression of the ideals of the Western Enlightenment, and I really do not care if the guys who wrote it (and I don't care they all were guys, neither) were, in their personal lives, some of the biggest schmucks around.

It's like when you're a writer, just trying to get that damned story out, and you write a sentence or a paragraph that somehow manages to touch the face of, oh, I don't know, and you spend the rest of your life marveling that it actually fell out of your own brain. You didn't know you had it in you.

Neither did they, maybe. But they did and it was worth all the aggravation. Work's never done though. That's the bad news.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Perfect truth abounds. Imperfect humans tap into it and write it down, once in a while, and their imperfections matter not to the perfect truth, only to other even more imperfect humans.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

"Work's never done though".

I would argue, that, that's the good news:

To seek a more perfect union:

The progress of the American experience is never complete

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SCA's avatar

Oh, all right then...

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

:)

We're on the same team. I always read all your posts on the stacks'

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SCA's avatar

Even on days I'm feeling extra crabby, I'm always glad to be here, in congenial company...

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I like it, stay irascible and STRONG!

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Yes this isn't to say that we should give up on the ideals -- only that (as you say), the work's never done. There's ALWAYS improvements to be made. Ron Paul liked to say that although he was an imperfect messenger (being human), the message of liberty shouldn't be slandered because of his imperfections.

All men ARE created equal and should be equal in the eyes of the law. When we fail to uphold that ideal, it's not because the ideal is incorrect, it's because we have imperfect people trying (or not trying) to uphold it.

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SCA's avatar

Yup.

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John's avatar

No words can adequately illustrate my disgust and disdain for the US government and those who have destroyed it. I will not be watching the Potomac Pravda Production.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly. I'm going to spend that time with my kids. What a farce.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Ditto. I'd rather watch the Royals stumble their way to the league's worst record than pay attention to this BS.

Remember when the Dems backed out of having witnesses at sham impeachment #2 when the GOP said they would call Nancy Pelosi?

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/national/trump-wants-pelosi-schiff-as-impeachment-witnesses/

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Sunday that senators will “pay a price” if they block new witnesses in Donald Trump’s impeachment trial, but the president quickly retorted that she and House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff should also testify.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Hey. I'm a long suffering Royals fan! Salt in the wound. Some of us have roots in the midwest...:)

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SimulationCommander's avatar

We'll always have 2014/2015!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Broken bat single...one after another for the world series.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Beats grounding into the shift.........again.

Edit: How is it these professional hitters can't just drop down a bunt for a sure single every single at-bat?

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Hahaha. That's funny about the shift. So true.

Pride and watched too much of the movie Money Ball...;)

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